The Parselmouths: Evolution of a Wrock Band

As many Wrock fans know by now, the Parselmouths were among the very first wave of Wizard Rock in all existence. They stood out for their spunky attitudes, music, and personal style. As a couple of engaging best friends, Brittany and Kristina stole the hearts of their many fans and held their attention for the years to follow. Yet, the chances of a couple teenage girls growing up and having the opportunity to maintain a band of this sort seem relatively slim. High school ends, college begins, and we all grow as individuals as time moves on. Through all this, Brittany and Kristina remained steadfast together, and maintain their friendship still. However, their band, the Parselmouths, has evolved more than one would perhaps have anticipated.

After attending LeakyCon and watching the Parselmouths perform live in their latest incarnation, I felt moved to pay particular attention to how the band has developed over the years and where they have come to rest at present. In an effort to be as inclusive as possible, I have taken the time to listen to all the Parselmouths albums to date in chronological order.

You may be wondering why I would bother to be so thorough. When I saw their performance at LeakyCon, there were some major differences from what has been seen in the past. As I mentioned earlier, the Parselmouths (originally a two girl Slytherin band) has evolved quite a lot in the past year. First they were joined by a Gryffindor, Eia, then suddenly Brittany’s life picked up in ways that sadly led to her no longer being able to continue with the band. Additionally, Kristina has recruited the regular assistance of the talented Alex Day. By the time the Parselmouths took the stage at LeakyCon’s Evil Night, the lineup had changed from Brittany and Kristina to Kristina, Eia, and Alex.

Eia’s influence is clear in the two latest Parselmouths albums, Pretty in Pink (and Green) and Spattergroit. With the absence of Brittany for Spattergroit, the Parselmouths sound almost like a different band entirely. The simplest way I can think of to track the changes in Parselmouths’ music is to discuss ‘What Kind of Name is Hermione’ (a song that is featured on almost every Parselmouths album produced) as it appears on each album, demonstrating how the band has grown and changed over the years.

Appearing on the Parselmouths’ first album, Sssss, ‘What Kind of Name is Hermione’ became a fan (and band) favorite as a demonstration of the band’s style, sense of fun, and subtle dislike and jealousy of the character of Hermione. We heard an updated version of the song on their following album, Broken Hearted Slytherins. This latest adaptation was more of an expansion upon the song demonstrating Brittany and Kristina’s sheer enjoyment in the music they were creating. The sound was not far off of what it was on their first album, but more an update and a way of showing their fans that they have been improving their music and continuing to have fun with it.

The third, and final, version of ‘What Kind of Name is Hermione’ appeared on Pretty in Pink (and Green), the debut album featuring the talents of Eia. This album marks the first major changes in the style and sound of music from the Parselmouths. I almost want to say it’s a more filled out sound than it was previously. This step in the chronicle of the Parselmouths is, once again, expanding on the previous versions that existed and showing how much fun they were all having with their music.

Shortly after this album, Brittany had to leave the band and this, in my opinion, is when the Parselmouths were done. I know that seems like an extreme statement, but I just don’t see the original band in there anymore. This isn’t to negate Kristina’s participation, input, and personal style, but it is simply a matter of the band consisting of different members, sounding different, and performing with different attitudes overall.

I was particularly struck with this thought upon watching the current Parselmouths wrock Evil Night at LeakyCon. The performance was fun, dynamic, and absolutely entertaining in every way. I just didn’t see the Parselmouths in it. While I am not a member of the band, nor do I have contact with Kristina, Eia, or Alex (unofficial member though he may be), I would hazard to suggest that perhaps it is time to retire the Parselmouths and to re-form as a new group. The music has already evolved, the band members have already changed, but the fans will not change. Having been in the Wizard Rock Community for so long, I hope that the Parselmouths will acknowledge that the band was fantastic, fun-filled, and wonderful for the fans, but perhaps it is no longer accurate to call the band by that name.

I would like to take a moment to express why this will be beneficial for not only the fans, but for the band members as well. First and foremost, I believe this will be beneficial to the fans in the sense that they will not have the musical history of the Parselmouths determining what they expect from recent releases. Instead, it will be based on what they have heard from the current group of musicians. I can tell you now that if you listen to songs from Sssss and then some from Spattergroit, you will likely question the validity of them being by the same band. I feel, however, that a change in band name will be beneficial to the band members more than anyone else. As we know, Brittany and Kristina got into Wizard Rock on the ground floor. For the latest members, Eia in particular, the shadow of Brittany can be a hard one to get out of. I felt, watching the performance at Evil Night, that Eia, while a dynamic performer, was clouded by the looming presence of Kristina and the shadow of Brittany as the original members of the band. This would be a perfect opportunity to shine that shadow away with the brilliance of Eia’s talents and spirit.

This could be the opportunity for Kristina, Eia, and Alex to re-invent themselves as a band and to shine on as the new group that they have formed. And, through it all, I still have my fingers crossed for a Parselmouths reunion show or album sometime in the future when Brittany has the time to commit to it!

123 responses to “The Parselmouths: Evolution of a Wrock Band”

  1. Kate Avatar
    Kate

    What a great article. Well thought-out and I agree wholeheartedly. I don’t feel that the Parselmouths are the same anymore. Brittany and Kristina had such an unparalleled chemistry together. With Brittany gone and Alex and Eia in her place, it’s a totally different feeling listening to the new album and watching them perform. I feel like keeping the ‘Parselmouths’ title is like trying to hold on to a piece of the past. A reformation and a new band name would be like a fresh start, a clean slate. The Parselmouths have always and will always hold a place in my heart, but maybe it’s time for something new?

    And I definitely agree that a reunion show/album would be spectacular.

  2. obockstal Avatar

    This is a great article and I agree with you.
    I never actually got to see the original Parselmouths duo perform live (I know them only from YouTube videos) but after LeakyCon it seemed clear that without Brittany the band isn’t the same anymore. The new album is great work but it’s too different from the original work.
    I agree how a name change can benefit the band, because when fans think the Parselmouths they’ll always think of that couple of girls having fun making songs together.

  3. eviljim Avatar
    eviljim

    I’m sorry but I can’t agree.I admit that I have no baseline to go on-I never saw The Parselmouths before Leaky Con-But if that show is what The Parselmouths are NOW then I can’t front on it!It was great and can only get better!!Kristina is often known as”Kristina Parselmouth”and after Leaky Con I know why.And I can’t think of any reason she shouldn’t continue to be so.It is not so much about sound as it is about identity-and I’m going to follow Kristina-Parselmouth to the End!!!!

  4. Whompy Avatar

    With all due respect, I think this article is completely inappropriate. Bands evolve and change. Using your logic, The Whomping Willows should retire because I’ve stopped writing stupid songs about treeholes and I’ve moved on to material that’s much more serious and personal. The Remus Lupins should retire because The Rest Is Silence includes a full band and is way more sophisticated than Spells From A Broken Wand. Draco and the Malfoys should retire because they released a bluegrass album. Etc.

    The people who play in wizard rock bands are artists and they can do whatever they want with their bands. If people don’t like it, they can stop listening. Fans need to understand that bands are people too. They grow up, they develop as artists, they become interested in new ideas. If fans don’t grow and develop with them, bands shouldn’t be expected to slow their growth for their fans’ benefit.

  5. Alex (Parselmouth) Avatar

    Hey Dinah, I wanted to comment on this. First let me say this is a very interesting article that has definitely engaged me and made me think a lot about the band, and I can see how you’ve reached the conclusions that you have. However, I have to disagree.

    I’m new to the Parselmouths, I just help out as a guitarist, but I’ve been a fan of their work for much longer, and the Parselmouths have always been these things to me: fun, playful, engaging and exceptionally talented. Wizard girls having fun. I can’t speak for myself, but I don’t think Eia and Kristina are any different. They are both wonderfully gifted performers and I think a band consists of its feelings and sense of spirit more than anything else. I agree that the band’s first album “Sssss” sounds very different from the newest release “Spattergroit”, but only because they’ve had the chance to develop their musical style and fine-tune their recording abilities, mostly thanks to the love put in by the wizard rock community to help them out with recording. The songs do sound different, but they’re still the same band. In their time together they’ve written love songs (“Love Song For Professor Lupin”, “Durmstrang Boy”, “We Belong Together”), songs about how school sucks (“Two Classes”, “I’m So Bored”, “Ask Me To The Yule Ball”) etc. They still sum up the same spirit they’ve always had; girls having fun. I honestly think you can listen to all those songs through and recognise that while the recording quality changes from album to album, the band at heart does not.

    I openly respect any band that constantly changes their style to remain interesting and exciting, while still holding on to core themes, and I think the Parselmouths do exactly that. I agree that line-up changes make it feel different to how it used to be, but what about when Matt from The Whomping Willows teams up with other musicians to play live shows on tour? We’re not talking about Harry And The Potters here – Kristina and Brittany had line-up changes in every album they released, check the liner notes. Jon Platter helped out on drums in Broken Hearted Slytherins, Eia joined for Pink And Green and I helped out in Brittany’s place on Spattergroit.

    The show at LeakyCon seemed to be very popular and people went out of their way to tell us how much they enjoyed the performance, so as long as everyone’s still having a good time, I don’t see any problem with the way Kristina approaches music under the Parselmouths name. We’ll still play old songs because that’s who we are, and we still have the same ethos we always have. And who knows what the next album will sound like? That’s all part of the fun 🙂

  6. Whompy Avatar

    PS. If my comment sounded catty, it wasn’t really intended to be that way. It’s just offensive to me as an artist to see someone suggest that a fellow artist change their band name simply because they’ve developed their sound or changed their lineup a bit. It tells me that some people can’t move past their expectations of a particular band, and it tells me that what’s most important to these people is that a band pleases them, as opposed to the band retaining their freedom to express themselves however they choose. This is a very close-minded and short-sighted approach to music appreciation, and it completely disregards the feelings, desires, and even integrity of the artist. You know I love you Dinah, but I think this article is way off base.

  7. James Avatar

    I agree with this article. The Parselmouths are an excellent band. I recently looked at my itunes and The parselmouths were one of bands i listen to most. I didn’t even notice they managed to be one of my favourite bands. When i think of parselmouths i will always think of a slytherin girl band. Brittany parselmouth and Kristina parselmouth.
    I think the dynamic of the band has changed so much in the last year.

    The Parselmouths were brilliant but i just didn’t see the parselmouths at Evil Night. i saw a new Group of musicians with there own dynamic.

    I don’t think it was implied that bands should slow their growth in any way. Of course bands should continue to improve.

    It just seems that with half the band leaving and Kristina now outnumbered by a Gryfindor and a male Ravenclaw. I and others just don’t see the Slytherin girl band we all know and love anymore.

    Being non-musical i am more commenting on image and dynamics then musical style.

  8. Alex (Parselmouth) Avatar

    Hey, just a quick follow up because I posted a response comment to this article at 1:22 am and it’s still ‘awaiting moderation’ but Matt’s comment posted at 1:44 am has already been approved. I’ve always loved the freedom of wizard rock to express ourselves freely and I thought that a response to this article from one of its band members – particularly not saying anything malicious or insensitive in any way – should be allowed on the site. I’m sure people would be interested to hear my own take on your ideas, which I’ll reiterate I found engaging and thought-provoking even though I disagreed. =)

  9. Rebekah Avatar
    Rebekah

    I’ve been good friends with Kristina since 2007 and I know for a fact that the changes the Parselmouths have been going through had always been well-thought out by the members. I have yet to purchase Spattergroit due to chronic brokeness but the songs I’ve heard from it are really good. I was unfortunately unable to attend LeakyCon (also due to aforementioned lack of money) but the videos I saw of their performance were AMAZING. It’s very sad that Brittany is not in the band, we all miss her a lot (and I know Kristina and Eia do too) but their new songs are still Parselmouths songs and I don’t think they need to reevaluate the name of the band AT ALL. They’re still speaking snake and entertaining their fans and that’s good enough for me.

  10. InvoluntaryPacifist Avatar
    InvoluntaryPacifist

    I agree with Whompy.

  11. Emily Avatar

    With respect, I have to disagree, I’m afraid. I feel that to change the name of the Parselmouths would be to announce that the band itself is dead and a new one has arisen in its place, and that’s simply not true. The Parselmouths have always been a band that changes. Not one of their albums sound the same as the previous, and that’s why we love them. They have this amazing way of keeping us on our toes and making certain we fans are never bored. I mean, if we’re following this logic, The Remus Lupins would have to change their name, too, and Ministry of Magic would have had to rename themselves after the Triward LP.

    And you may say that the difference there is that neither The Remus Lupins nor MoM ever LOST a member, which is true, but if that’s the argument, we’re putting way too much stock on Brittany. What I’m saying is, a Brittany does not make a band. Do we miss Brittany? Yes. Can The Parselmouths survive without Brittany? ABSOLUTELY YES! Should they continue to evolve their sound and be the unpredictable band we’ve always loved? My answer is yes.

    I mean, think of The Beatles, arguably one of the greatest bands in rock and roll history. The album, “A Hard Days Night” sounds almost nothing like “The White Album” and yet they are both undeniably The Beatles. If Paul, John, George and Ringo hadn’t evolved musically and as a band, they probably wouldn’t have ever been as amazing as they were, and they most likely wouldn’t have been nearly as influential in music history. Their lineup may not have changed, but their sound certainly did, and their chemistry as a group definitely did (if the stories I hear are true, John and Paul started out as friends).

    All I’m saying is that The Parselmouths can survive, should survive, and are surviving all the changes they’ve been through over the past few years. I commend and respect them for it, and I proudly support them as they were in the past and as they are now.

  12. IFTBA Avatar

    I see the new album as more of a Ministry of Magic influence and natural musical progression than the result of Brittany leaving. If she was on the album, it would sound mostly the same. Then you wouldn’t be calling for a name change, you’d just be critcizing the album itself. You can treat it like Veruca Salt losing a member, but for all you know, it could turn out to be Metallica without Dave Mustaine. If the album was “The Parselmouth” or “Kristina Parselmouth” or “Kristina Parselmouth, A Gryffindor, And A Dude,” the comparisons to The Parselmouths would be the same. The only benefit would be knowing which albums were post-Brittany. I’m sure the band benefits more from keeping the name.

  13. Alex Avatar
    Alex

    What I have always enjoyed about the wizrocklopedia is that it has never been biased. On the news updates, the smaller bands have never had any reason to feel forgotten because they have been left out or wizrocklopedia have said “ZOMG check out the new Remus Lupins track!”, everyone is equal. So in a community of ever changing bands, why are The Parselmouths picked out? A lot of wrock bands have changed musically/line up wise, perhaps moreso. And in muggle music…. Pink Floyd. Period. This isn’t a huge stab at the wizrocklopedia, and I don’t want to give out the “only my opinion counts” vibe, but what I don’t want to see is wizrocklopedia developing a critic attitude, when at present it is exciting to read and really optimistic. This article doesn’t match this site.

    I’m Parselmouth fanboy.

  14. Russ Avatar

    Someone just referenced Mustaine originally being in Metallica. This makes me happy.

    Re: Article… it’s an opinion piece, and a very well written one at that. As a band, I’m going to have to disagree with it entirely. Matt’s made almost all the relevant points above; I’d just like to add that one of the most liberating things about wrock (and probably my favorite aspect of it) is that a band doesn’t have to sound any certain way to be “wizard rock”. You can mix and match different musical styles any way you like, as long as the songs are about the Potterverse, you can wrock your heart out. Stifling something like that would be a huge detriment to the creativity of all the bands having fun playing and writing wrock. I guess by the standards here, I’d have to have gone through at least 1 name change so far, and change it again in another few months. I know that’s a bit of an extreme example, but if you follow the criteria above, that’s what I’m getting out of it.

    Bands just naturally grow and progress, as the Parselmouths have done. It’s a fun thing to be a part of both as a band, and as a fan. Not every band can be AC/DC or The Ramones. Also, I don’t know Eia at all, but to give her the Newsted treatment is particular unfair to her. As long as she’s having fun, and the Parselmouths are having fun, that’s all that matters.

  15. Rosa Avatar
    Rosa

    I have to disagree with this article. As people have mentioned above, the beautiful thing about a band is that it CAN grow and change. In fact, if no wrock band ever changed and they all stuck to their original sounds, the movement would be much less strong because it would lack the same interest that comes with growth. I’ve only ever seen the Brittany/Kristina Parselmouths “live” through Youtube, but when I saw them at LeakyCon it was clear to me that these were the Parselmouths, even though they arguably do give off a different vibe than they used to. The changes that the band has undergone do not mean it has to forge a whole new identity.

  16. Georgia Riddle Avatar

    That was a brilliant article, but I’m going to have to disagree. Loads of Muggle bands have lost and gained members, but it doesn’t mean they need to change their identity. The fact that they sound different really doesn’t matter at all, because all they have done is progressed like any other band would do.

    Pretty much every band I know has changed their style and feel at one point or another, like Linkin Park when they released Minutes to Midnight or Biffy Clyro when they released Puzzle. Some people aren’t going to like it as much because it sounds different, and they might wonder if they’ve lost the band that they loved, but the fact is they’re the same band but they’ve just developed a new sound.

    Besides, can’t Gryffindors and Ravenclaws be Parselmouths too? #housewars :P.

  17. Kat Avatar
    Kat

    Wow… that was a bit different. i don’t think anyone was expecting that.

  18. Amy Avatar

    I think the problem here is that The Parselmouths is more of a state of mind? “A rose by any other name…” and all that. What’s in a name?

    I also didn’t feel that the band was the same when I saw them at LeakyCon but that’s the way things go. That’s the way music goes, especially. Style changes, influences change and sometimes the lineup changes. To me the music of, say, ‘Pretty in Pink (and Green)’ is completely different to that of ‘Spattergroit’. And I had the same reaction as Dinah – that this was no longer The Parselmouths. But really it is, it’s just a little different. It’s progressed. They don’t need to change their name, I need to change my perception of what the band is.

    Changing their name won’t change anything. It would be especially unfair to Kristina, who has spent years building up a reputation for a band called The Parselmouths.

    I agree with what Matt, IFTBA, Alex, Emily, Russ and Georgia have said above – music styles change. It’s inevitable. Maybe as fans, we need to be more flexible and accepting of this. Hey, it’s a new era of Wizard Rock. It’s great; I’m happy that we have these things to talk about now! Thanks for starting the debate, Dinah! <3

  19. BrewnetOdette33 Avatar

    All bands evolve. I think it is a natural part of music. Bands are going to change and have new members, and new styles.

    If we have a little girl growing up, in elementary school, she is friends with a, b, and d (ah you thought I was going to say c! haha! Sorry early in the morning and it amused me) She wears dresses all the time and is pretty girly. Then she reaches middle school. She is now friends with c, d, and e. She starts wearing pants and plays a sport without worrying about her nails. Then high school, she makes friends with d, f, and g. She really decides that dressing in all black is for her and that she wants to be a techie on the next school production.

    Do we change her name throughout the three schools? No she is still her she just has different friends, different interests and different styles.

    I think that this can apply to bands as well.

  20. Whompy Avatar

    Alex: “This article doesn’t match this site.”

    Agreed. An article talking about the development of The Parselmouths over the years, their music, their lineup changes, their contributions to the community, etc., would be totally appropriate. Inserting an opinion as extreme as “They should break up and reform under a different name,” or “It’s sad to see Eia living in Brittany’s shadow” is very off-putting to say the least. There’s a lot about this article that’s simply unfair to the subjects — especially the assumptions about motivations and feelings.

    Personally, I felt like The Parselmouths put on a fantastic show at LeakyCon, and I felt that it was a very Parselmouths-like performance. The dynamic wasn’t terribly different from when it was just Kristina and Brittany. The snarky humor was still there, the playfulness and energy was still there. The songs were still there too. And no offense to Brittany, but Kristina has always been the heart and soul of The Parselmouths. She’s a founding member of this community and she’s put an immense amount of work into its development and perpetuation. She has been the driving force behind The Parselmouths for years now and there’s no reason why she should ever give up her band’s identity.

  21. Lauren Myrtle Avatar

    I am completely stunned. This is not the type of website that has ever drawn such offensive, upsetting conclusions publically without the consent of the artist being attacked. I love you, Dinah, but who are you to tell one of the most dedicated and talented people in this community that she should retire a name she has worked so hard to build up? Kristina has put so much work and love into this project since the very beginning, and Brittany has quit at least twice so far that I know of. Just because her less-committed bandmate who has always been awesome but has never been quite as dedicated is growing away from the community doesn’t mean that Kristina should be punished or reprimanded for continuing to do something she loves more than most people could ever know or even experience themselves.

    This band is not called “The Slytherin Girls”. Parselmouths can be in any house and several songs on Spattergroit are about being a Parselmouth. They have a song in which Alex takes on the role of Harry (who, as you know, is a Parselmouth) and is begged to join the band. They reflect on the first time they talked to a snake. There is even a song completely in Parseltongue. This new album screams Parselmouth even though the band has changed a bit.

    Kristina IS The Parselmouths. Until she decides to stop and reaudition the role of herself in the band, she will be The Parselmouths and she should stay The Parselmouths.

  22. Dinahsaur Avatar

    Hey everyone. Just a quick note before I respond regarding comments. Everyone’s first comment on the Wizrocklopedia needs to be officially approved as a guard against spam. Alex, I’m sorry your comment didn’t go through sooner and Matt’s was already accepted, but it was your first comment, so we had to go through the back end and moderate what we saw.

    Thanks for all your input everyone, and I will be re-reading all the comments once more before writing a response here.

  23. Amy Avatar

    Dinah’s entitled to an opinion, as are we all. She’s not attacking anyone. The style of the Wizrocklopedia has changed over the last year. It was deliberately decided that instead of just printing news updates, the style should be more of a blog. In blogs people state their opinion. No one’s saying that this is fact, it’s one person’s opinion. And if it’s one person’s opinion it’s more than likely that it’s someone else’s opinion too.

    In blogs, people think out loud. They muse and write their thoughts. I don’t think Dinah was saying that “OMG THE PARSELMOUTHS ARE CRAP NOW AND HAVE TO CHANGE THEIR NAME!!!” She’s saying that their style of music has progressed so much and their line up has changed so much that she: “would hazard to suggest that perhaps it is time to retire the Parselmouths and to re-form as a new group.”

  24. Jace Avatar
    Jace

    I think what i find more stunning is some of the rude responses you’re getting from people who claim to be open-minded.

    Now, i do also disagree with most of this article, and there are ways i would have worded things differently, but you bring up some good points, and the article was interesting and worth the read.

    But again, i’m more shocked at the “catty” comments. Lighten up people…

  25. Kevin Avatar
    Kevin

    So I haven’t seen the Parselmouths live before LeakyCon either, but I heard them recorded/have seen them “live” on YouTube. Sure it definitely was a sad day when Brittany left, but the thought that they were much different didn’t even cross my mind at Evil Night or after.

    Both my favourite non-wrock bands have seen (heard) a more or less dramatic change in their style and/or line up (Nightwish anyone?) I myself wouldn’t want to stick to exactly the same kind of music forever and I don’t think I know a musician who would. It’s an amazing feeling when you discover that you can do a different style and it’s still you. Look at Ministry of Magic’s acoustic album for instance…
    In short, I just agree with Whompy (though I think it IS not bad that we talk about this).

  26. Alatarielle Avatar
    Alatarielle

    I like the article. And I think it’s a nice change to read an opinion piece on one of the bands compared to plain updates, that say “soandso” has put out a new song.

    I see where Dinah is coming from and I think it’s kinda extreme that she gets this attacked for putting out this article.

    While I get the point Lauren is making about the reputation Kristina has build up in the past and all the work she has put into the band, I still think it shouldnt be the worst thing for a bandleader to hear how people are review their band now compared to the past year.
    Noone is trying to tell Kristina what to do with her band and no one should, but why is it agressive and offensive to offer an opinion? She doesnt have to do it if she doesnt want to.

    I personally like the idea to change the name and I dont think it’s such a stupid suggestion. Just because other bands havent done that in the past when they changed their style or their members doesnt mean that it would be compeletely stupid or inappropriate to do it in this case.
    Not that my opinion matters in this case (it’s after all Kristina’s decision) I’m still allowed to have an opinion on this, right? Nobody is making Kristina do anything she doesnt want. It’s just a suggestion and an opinion.

    Maybe it’s just the internet and textual communication, but I think some of those comments above are pretty harsh. And I dont think it’s appropriated to attack someone like this for their opinion.

  27. Christie Avatar

    I agree with Jace and Amy…
    I see where you’re coming from Dinah. I don’t know if I agree entirely, but I totally get what you’re saying. And people need to chill out. It’s an opinion article.

  28. James Avatar

    I think one of the biggest things is that the changes in the Parselmouths (Band structure and sound) have happened so quickly that the fans haven’t had time to adjust. Hence why some people think that maybe a new name wouldn’t be so bad.

    This article doesn’t attack anyones musical abilitys and i personally feel that the Wizrocklopedia is a Wrock News site and pieces like this are a welcome addition to me. I know there will be some articles i disagree with at some point but its good to have these discussions.

    PS I agree that some people are being extremly harsh and closed minded. Its an opinion. No one is telling anyone what they should do.

  29. WizardRockDA Avatar

    “Many of the truths we cling to depend greatly on our own point of view.” –Obi-Wan Kenobi

    Ultimately, there is no “correct” answer as to whether or not the Kristina, Eia, and Alex should reform as a new band with their current line up or continue to record and perform as the Parselmouths. Either would be a perfectly legitimate option for them and whether they *should* reform as a new band or continue as the Parselmouths is entirely a matter of personal opinion. And the only four people who’s opinions on the issue happen to particularly matter are Kristina, Eia, Alex, and Brittney. If Brittney’s fine with them continuing to use the name and they wish to continue using the name, that’s their business and I’m quite sure that we will continue to listen to them and support them as long as we like what they’e doing, whatever name they use.

    That said, some of the comments have seemed more offensive and/or illogical to me than the article itself.

    First of all, nobody said that Kristina, Eia, and Alex *HAVE* to reform as a new band. It was said merely said that “perhaps” they should, in the personal opinions of Dinah and those who have agreed with her. This article is rather clearly an opinion editorial rather than a news item, though perhaps it should have said that upfront someplace other than Dinah’s personal twitter account for those who couldn’t clearly tell by reading it. It seems like a lot of people are overreacting to me. Even Alex Parselmouth said it was interesting, engaging, and that he could see where Dinah is coming from even if he disagreed. Why does everyone else have to throw a fit about it? And with all due respect to Matt and Emily and various other arguments that this line of logic would mean that various other bands would have to change their name, it seems to me (a phrase which implies what I’m about say is my mere opinion, just in case you didn’t know ;)) that you’re comparing apples to oranges, and here’s why:

    We’ll start with Matt’s statement that by that logic, he should no longer perform as the Whomping Willows, or that the Remus Lupins should change their name. The difference between the Parselmouths and the Whomping Willows or the Remus Lupins is that the Whomping Willows, despite having taken their music in a deeper direction, are fronted by the same single person: Matt Maggiacomo. The Remus Lupins, despite having evolved their sound and changed their lineup are still fronted by the same single person: Alex Carpenter. The Parselmouths, on the other hand, were fronted by both Kristina and Brittney. Jethro Tull can do what ever they want to their lineup and change their style however they like and still be Jethro Tull so long as Ian Anderson is fronting the band. But while Heart can change their backing musicians and their style around all they want, they’re not Heart without both Ann and Nancy Wilson. Dinah’s not saying Brittney makes the band, she’s saying Kristina AND Brittney TOGETHER make the band and that neither one of them alone is what she thinks of when she thinks of the Parselmouths.

    Secondly, this is more like comparing “A Hard Day’s Night” to, say, “Band On The Run” than to the White album. The only thing they have in common is one musician, Paul McCartney. Just like the only thing the only thing Sssss has in common with Spattergroit is on musician, Kristina Horner. What Dinah’s article really comes down to isn’t that changing a band’s lineup, or their sound, or their dynamic, or their chemistry makes it a different band. What Dinah’s saying is that when you change ALL of those things simultaneously, you have a different band. Which is true. What’s debateable is how simultaneous those changes were.

    What it all comes down to, and what makes it perfectly legitimate for them to continue performing as the Parselmouths IN MY OPINION, FYI, is “Pretty In Pink (And Green).” This album bridges the original Parselmouths with the current Parselmouths in lineup (that’s plain, simple fact) and (in my opinion) musically as well. I fell like I can already hear the music moving more in the direction of Spattergroit in tracks like “Ask Me To The Yule Ball.” If Brittney had dropped out of the band, and THEN Kristina had recruited two new members and completely changed the style and sound of their music, that would almost certainly be a different band. But it seems like the change was more gradual to me, and that the music of Spattergroit WAS in fact a natural evolution of the direction they were already headed before Brittney left.

    Clearly, from some people’s points of view, Kristina was more important to the band than Brittney, and/or the changes in the band didn’t seem so sudden. Just as clearly, from other people’s points of view, Kristina and Brittney were of equal importance to the band and the changes DID seem sudden and simultaneous. Both of those are both matters of opinion, and I might also add that an acurate opinion of Kristina’s importance vs. Brittney’s to what the Parselmouths used to be requires information that most people who don’t know them personally simply aren’t privy to. Is anyone more right than anyone else here? Only from their own points of view. Because in the wise words of a Jedi Master, “Many of the truths we cling to depend greatly on our own point of view.”

  30. Anonymous Opinion Avatar
    Anonymous Opinion

    After reading the comments, I feel the need to keep myself Anonymous to save myself from being lynched.
    I agree with this article. I was a big fan of the Parselmouths in 2007. Brittany and Kristina are two extremely talented people, and they still are, and they worked together amazingly. I also think Pretty In Pink (And Green) is a fabulous album. I think Spattergroit is a definite step back from all that. It seems that Brittany’s presence was the factor that was keeping me entertained. Compared to their past performances, Evil Night at Leaky was the worst Parselmouths show I have seen. What was once a Slytherin Girl Band singing songs about being Slytherin is now a diverse band of girls and a boy singing about anything in Harry Potter. They’re no longer an evil band. They’re no longer Slytherin. It’s a completely different band and I am saddened that the Parselmouths I once knew and loved is gone forever.
    And I should point out that it’s not the same as JFF performing live with a full band, or The Remus Lupins and MoM getting new members. TRL and MoM have still kept their style and improved it to something incredible. Having JFF and Whompy, among others, having a full band live just enhances their work. The Parselmouths have just seemed to change. From what I’ve heard of Spattergroit, it just sounds a lot like their first album. It’s like they’ve started all over again.
    I should note before I finish this reply, I really think that Kristina, Eia and Alex are very talented. You can definitely tell the hard work that Kristina has put into this effort. Eia’s voice is amazing and Alex is hilarious and wonderful to see live. I just think that combined it’s a mess, a ghost of a former band.

  31. Dinahsaur Avatar

    I think some people are reading me saying “they’re not the same” as “they’re not as good”. In fact, I love the new music. I listen to it quite a lot and have been enjoying Parselmouths music since it was fancy and new. My side is that they have changed as a band.

    I would also like to thank everyone who is trying to keep this from being a debate of pointing fingers and rudeness. I know some of you don’t agree with me, and I don’t mind at all. I’m just glad there are people who are trying to keep this civil. So again, THANK YOU!

    Responses to more direct comments to follow. Sorry for the disjointed responses from me. I’m at work at fitting this debate in between work.

  32. Kevin Avatar
    Kevin

    I absolutely agree that we’re just exchanging opinions and not telling Kristina to do anything.
    And I can see where Dinah’s coming from, it’s not taken out of nowhere, obviously. But I think I can also see where Matt’s coming when he’s feeling kind of “offended” by the notion that the Parselmouths should reform or change their name, because they’re “not allowed” to swing too far away from their original style. I know Dinah probably didn’t mean it that way at all, but that’s what you could read into it.

    I think we’re just having a good discussion, no one at anyone’s throat, that’s good. 😉

  33. WizardRockDA Avatar

    Also, just in case I wasn’t entirely clear on this, I think this article is entirely appropriate. Dinah did not once say or imply that the new Parselmouths material or performances or members weren’t GOOD. Just that they were different, and perhaps IN HER OPINION it might be beneficial to acknowledge those differences with a new name for the (from her point of view) new band. Everything she actually said about the “new band” was positive.

    And I find having opinions on the Wizrocklopedia to be a good thing. And in MY humble opinion, being able to express your opinion, whatever it may be, is always a good thing, especially when its expressed tactfully. The article, if you read it carefully, was written fairly tactfully. Many (though certainly not all) of the comments attacking the article decidedly were not.

  34. Arletta Avatar
    Arletta

    Hey Dinah,

    I don’t agree about the Parselmouths needing to regroup and start over under another name, but I do find the comment about Eia living in Brittany’s shadow very telling. I don’t think everyone would feel that way. There are some that may think that way but there are, I hope, many more that can recognize the evolution of a band and its sound. I have said this about a few mainstream artists but when I do, I try to step back and look at it as a sign of growth. We muggles have a hard time with change, but we need to learn go with it. Sometimes, it’s a great ride!

    There are many bands in mainstream music that have evolved without changing their names. In fact, if a band doesn’t grow and evolve, I get bored and refuse to listen to them any more. How many times have you heard an artist on the radio and thought, “all their songs sound the same?” I do it all the time and therefore rarely listen to the radio. I think I would be disappointed if The Parselmouths were to rename themselves and start over.

    Some one commented about the voracity of the comments here. Dinah, I think it’s good that you made this post. The only problem is that this is a site frequented by artists of many styles. We’ve got painters, writers, and, of course, musicians. Generally that means we’re dealing with people that are very passionate about art and life. When opinions get challenged we come out fighting. Which is good! I find it good that this is a forum that people feel safe stating their opinion and aren’t afraid of repercussions.

  35. WizardRockDA Avatar

    Point in case: someone felt the need to hide their identity to post their comment on this discussion because all the attacks against this article made them feel their opinion would be unwelcome here. And making people feel like they have to hide their identity just express their opinion on something without being attacked for it is what we REALLY don’t need on this site, and is much more of a threat to the site and community than a mere article that includes the author’s opinion. Just saying.

  36. Russ Avatar

    Alright – I’m actually logging in from work to give a big +1 to Bobby’s comments above. I sincerely hope that no one is taking any of the comments directed at the posted article and making them personal, or taking them personally. Everyone’s opinion is welcome here. I’d hate to think that someone might feel like they were being attacked or belittled for having an opinion. Some of us agree with Dinah’s opinion, some of us don’t. Everyone has that right. Dinah took the step to voice her opinion and put her name on it; I’d hope that anyone else commenting here first of all reads the whole article, and then feels free to comment without worry.

  37. Lauren Myrtle Avatar

    I apologize if my comment offended anyone, but this article still upsets me. If you had emailed it to Kristina as a suggestion to her band, it would have been just as upsetting. The fact that this was posted publically on what I view as a respected news site that documents and celebrates the fantastic community we’ve all helped to create makes it even worse. If sticking up for my friend is catty and rude, then I am proud to be catty and rude.

    Since we’re all just giving opinions, I think that the suggestion that Kristina forms a new band just because she had to find new people to back her up is ignorant both to Kristina and to music in general.

  38. Whompy Avatar

    Yeah, it’s an opinion article and Dinah is certainly entitled to her opinion. So are we. In my opinion, it’s kind of ignorant to suggest that a band should quit and reform as a new band simply because they’ve had lineup changes and their music has moved in a different direction. I use the word ignorant not as an insult to Dinah as a person — she’s a wonderful person who I admire a great deal — and it’s my admiration and respect for her that allows me to be so honest in the first place. To me, the suggestion that The Parselmouths are no longer the same band they once were reveals that Dinah shouldn’t be a music critic. That’s all. Take this statement for instance:

    “I can tell you now that if you listen to songs from Sssss and then some from Spattergroit, you will likely question the validity of them being by the same band.”

    This statement fails to acknowledge a few important facts:

    1) Three years have passed between those two releases. Kristina has progressed as a musician in that time. She’s toured the country, she’s been influenced by other musicians, and she’s continued to shape her own musical taste and sense of aesthetics.
    2) The Parselmouths have access to much better recording equipment than they did when they recorded Sssss.
    3) Spattergroit was produced by Luke Conard and was influenced by his sense of aesthetics and also his specific range of talents in the field of production.

    Sssss and Spattergroit were clearly produced by the same band. That band has undergone changes in the past few years, and people need to accept those changes or simply stop listening if they’re no longer into it.

    I don’t expect everyone to like Demons at the Helm. There are certain wizard rock fans who come to shows and stand there dumbfounded until I play Draco and Harry, and suddenly they’re dancing and singing along like crazy people. I didn’t write Demons at the Helm for that type of fan. I wrote it for myself first and foremost, my friends and family second, and third, for those fans who have grown and developed along with the wizard rock scene as its gone from a potential fad to a legitimate community.

    “The music has already evolved, the band members have already changed, but the fans will not change.”

    This statement is really just pessimistic. Personally, i’d like to think that as we develop and broaden our horizons as artists, our fans will grow up right along with us. Didn’t J.K. Rowling give her readers the benefit of the doubt that they could handle more complex concepts and plot lines as the series went on? I’d like to give my fans the same credit.

  39. Jace Avatar
    Jace

    There’s a difference between sticking up for your friends and calling people ignorant because you don’t agree with their opinions.

    I don’t agree with the article, but you don’t see me getting all worked up about it.

    Again… just saying…

  40. Lauren Myrtle Avatar

    “Didn’t J.K. Rowling give her readers the benefit of the doubt that they could handle more complex concepts and plot lines as the series went on? I’d like to give my fans the same credit.”

    Amen.

  41. Amy Avatar

    I took Dinah’s comment about the fans not changing as meaning the people wouldn’t leave/abandon. Not that the people wouldn’t grow and develop.

  42. Dinahsaur Avatar

    Okay…. time for my next comment. Again, I apologize for the disjointed comments from me in response to your comments. You may notice the banner changed to “Opinion” so it is more clear. This banner was just made, so sorry it took this long to get it up.

    First, I’d like to point out once more that I don’t believe Spattergroit is a step back for their music. I think it’s yet more proof of the developing talents of the individuals in the band.

    Now, in response to Whompy in particular right now, I believe there was a misinterpretation somewhere along the line. This kind of thing happens easily in text-based discussion, so I’d like to try and clarify where I believe the miscommunication lies. In no way do I believe there is any kind of ulterior motive for them keeping the band name. I believe it is a comfortable place for them and, as Kristina’s established identity, it makes sense for her to maintain it. As for the assumptions about emotions looking back, perhaps you are right about that. Arletta makes a similar comment about my mention of Brittany’s shadow. I think you both are making valid points in that regard and I agree I perhaps should have been more careful with that assessment. I know how I would feel in that situation and did not make concessions for difference of attitude and temperament.

    To Lauren, you make some very good points with your look at Spattergroit as an album. I don’t want you to think I was criticizing Kristina or Brittany in any way for either of their decisions at any step in the progress of their band. I feel like you are taking this opinion article as a negative criticism of their decisions overall. If, as it turns out, Kristina, Eia, and Alex choose to maintain the name, then that is what is right. This is just the way I’ve seen it. I understand that this idea is upsetting to you, and I don’t mean to upset anyone. It is simply an expression of my opinion.

    And just so everyone knows, I have been emailing a bit with Kristina regarding this article. So you know this isn’t a one shot here.

    Sorry I can’t respond more at the moment, I’m sure I will more later.

  43. Dinahsaur Avatar

    ps. What Amy said about the fans not changing. They won’t abandon ship. Sorry that wasn’t clearly stated.

  44. James Avatar

    Everyone is a music critic. Everyone has opinions about music. I personally think that someone who works on the pedia and is constantly working with wrock and listening to the music is the best type of person to be a critic.
    I feel fairly confident in my knowledge of Dinah to say that she doesn’t just repost all the bands new information into one post in the wrap up.

  45. Whompy Avatar

    Jace, I didn’t “just call people ignorant.” I said that certain statements were ignorant, or at least revealed a lack of perspective. I dunno. I just personally believe that Kristina, Eia, and Alex are the only people qualified to consider whether or not The Parselmouths should change their name, retire, or whatever. They’re the artists behind the project. In the case of Kristina, she’s been the primary voice behind The Parselmouths since the beginning.

    I also feel that this article shouldn’t have been posted without a disclaimer that it was solely the author’s opinion, etc. The original heading of “Article” implied news, and news implies fact. Essentially the original posting discredits any future news posted about The Parselmouths, since the author suggests multiple times that The Parselmouths no longer exist.

  46. Whompy Avatar

    PS. Obviously I’m pleased to see that the heading has been changed to “Opinion.” But it really shouldn’t have been posted until an Opinion header was created.

  47. Dinahsaur Avatar

    Oh snap! I forgot to respond to Alex Parselmouth! Sorry!!!!

    I wanted to thank you for your response and apologize again for the delay in your comment being posted. I would like to say that I very much like what you said regarding the songs, and pointing out specifics was very helpful to my consideration. Thanks for that!

    “They are both wonderfully gifted performers and I think a band consists of its feelings and sense of spirit more than anything else.” Firstly, I agree! Secondly, good point. From my outsider perspective, it looked and felt like that possibly was somewhat different. Not that it was diminished, just a different sense of spirit, if that makes sense. I want to make it triply clear here that this is not a negative! It’s just different! And it different in a way I admire and enjoy immensely.

    I think the biggest problem in this discussion (not with you, but with some other commenters) is that people think I’m saying that the music isn’t as good, or that different is bad, or that we as fans shouldn’t have to adapt to changes in music. Not one of those things is true in my opinion, so I guess I just wanted to repeat that again. It doesn’t seem like it can be said enough right now.

    Uhm… lost my train of thought. Sorry! I hope this response made some sense….

  48. Dinahsaur Avatar

    “I just personally believe that Kristina, Eia, and Alex are the only people qualified to consider whether or not The Parselmouths should change their name, retire, or whatever.”

    I agree mostly with this. I agree that any decisions are solely on them. I have no say in their final decision, nor do I claim to. I, as a fan and member of the Wrock community, felt that it would be safe to explain my opinion.

    I apologize again very much for the lack of an Opinion header. It was an oversight of mine that I take 100% responsibility for. It was a mistake and I accept that. I have since done what I can to rectify that mistake.

  49. Elizabeth Avatar
    Elizabeth

    Although this is a well-written article and I respect your opinion, I have to disagree.

    The fact that The Parselmouths have changed is a sign of progress, and doesn’t mean that they’re not the same band anymore. The sound of the music is different but they are still singing about the same subjects (school, boys, being a Slytherin), and are still undoubtedly the Parselmouths. A change in the lineup isn’t drastic enough to signify a change in the entire band. Although Brittany was a valuable member, the band can survive without her. Eia and Alex are wonderful additions who contribute to the band in their own way, and I don’t feel as though they should be considered as replacements for Brittany, but rather new people who are helping the Parselmouths to grow and expand even more.

  50. Dinahsaur Avatar

    I meant to say… I feel that as a long term fan and member of the Wrock community that I should be allowed an opinion, as should anyone else, for that matter. It doesn’t mean my opinion will sway the band. In fact, my discussion with Kristina later tonight very well sway my opinion.

    We won’t know until it happens.

  51. Amy Avatar

    I understood that this article was opinion, just by reading it. I didn’t think it was a case of “This just in: the Parselmouths have changed and perhaps they should consider changing their name.” Because that doesn’t make sense. I thought that the use of language was careful and clear. Matt, didn’t you understand it was an opinion piece until after you had commented?

    Who has the right to be a music critic? Do you have more of a right than Dinah because you play music? Do I have more of a right than you because i have a degree in it? I don’t think so. I think Dinah has as much of a right as anyone to analyse music and form an opinion as anyone. And I mean, anyone.

    The Parselmouths are certainly not the same band they once were. And I’m not saying that that’s a bad thing, no way. But they’re definitely not the same. As musicians we strive to grow and develop. Sometimes I think about starting anew with RVatCC, not only because it’s a crap name but because I feel like i’m a different musician to who I was when I started that 3/4 years ago.

    Why are you bringing Demons at the Helm into this? I don’t understand that at all. Your music has progressed gradually – it seems that the Parselmouths went in a different direction very quickly, which can be confusing for fans. I’ve not heard any negative reviews of the Parselmouths (bar the anon. one above) and nor have I heard any negative reviews of DatH.

    But going back to the previous point – did the same The Whomping Willows write DatH that wrote ‘Whomping Willows’?

  52. Camie Avatar

    I would first like to say that while I agree with Dinah in the points that the band has of course evolved and changed, I do not agree with her statement that the band name should change.

    I understand that to a lot of people The Parselmouths as a band were Kristina and Brittany. While this may have been true in the original formation of the band, and the original live performances, I can clearly see the gradual evolution of the band over the course of time. While to some, this evolution may not seem gradual… in fact it may seem quite sudden, but being gradual is a state of perception. To someone who has just joined the Wizard Rock community, this may seem like a very sudden change; one day you know The Parselmouths as Kristina and Brittany (from past albums and YouTube videos) and then BAM suddenly you are at LeakyCon and the band has one original member, and two new people. To someone who has been in the Wizard Rock community for a few years, you have seen Kristina and Brittany perform with each other, you have also seen them perform along with other people. You have seen Kristina perform with other people, and be missing Brittany desperately. You have also seen a lot of hard work put into a band that you know and love. You have seen the evolution of the band through the multiple albums. (seeing all of this could have been live, or via YouTube or other means.)

    I have been involved in this community for a while now. I clearly see the progression of the band, and I believe that The Parselmouths are still The Parselmouths. The beauty of that band name is that it is inclusive of all Parselmouths.

    I completely understand the sentiments of people comparing the evolution of this band to the evolution of other bands (when I say this, I mean both sides of this argument).
    I completely understand that if you were to change The Parselmouths name, you could apply that same logic to The Whomping Willows who’s music has evolved so much from what the original conception of the band was: As well as to The Remus Lupins who are now a completely full band. I also understand the people who are saying that this logic is null and void because those two bands have never lost members who front the band. I tend to lean towards the side that any evolution of a band should not warrant a name change.

    In my complete opinion, The Parselmouths are still The Parselmouths even without Brittany. The band has of course changed, and of course has evolved. The evolution has been gradual to those who have been around for a while.

    Now that my opinion on the article has been addressed. I need to state my opinion of some of the comments posted here.
    I completely respect your opinions, and love reading them, but can you please try to respect Dinah’s opinion as well.
    I know for sure that Dinah emailed the band before posting this article. Dinah also had a shiny new banner created after a lot of the controversy began so people would know this is an OPINION piece (I understand that the banner was created after the original post… but it was created none the less)
    Go ahead and post your opinions on this article, but please keep any personal attacks of Dinah out of the discussion.

  53. Grace Avatar

    Wow. Interesting discussion.

    First, I’d like to say that I’m glad to see this sort of dialogue happening on the Wizrocklopedia. I love debates like this, but they tend to happen on Facebook or at cons and it’s nice to see them on more of an open platform. I hope the ‘pedia continues to encourage this kind of expression.

    As to the article itself… I think the point of the importance and value of a name is really interesting, and maybe the article could have been narrowed to examine that concept rather than focusing on only the Parselmouths.

    Wizard rock is different than mainstream music in the way we use band names. Every “band” has a Harry Potter-themed name whether they are one person or eight, and many of those names are or were used as a core character identity for the band. It’s an interesting question to me: should you hold on to a character name if you no longer portray that character? I mean, fundamentally there are several wizard rock bands that have switched from a character focus to a broader view, the Parselmouths being one, and as far as I’m aware all of them have chosen to retain their original name. There’s no rules as far as names are concerned, so it’s completely up to the bands. I think that Dinah made a valid point that the Parselmouths reached a turning point where the decision had to be made to carry on under the same banner or make a new one, and I think it’s totally fair for Dinah to have suggested that “perhaps it is no longer accurate to call the band by that name.” That’s a fairly objective statement to me – agree or disagree, is it accurate? I think that was – “perhaps” – the best point of the article.

    I had a lot more to say on the subject of names in wizard rock and the way musicians evolve, but the conversation seems to have drifted away from that point so I’ll let it go for now. But I do hope we have more discussions like this on the Wizrocklopedia in the future – well-worded opinion articles can spark really nice conversations, especially when handled objectively.

  54. Whompy Avatar

    It’s totally safe to express your opinion, but I hope you counted on a varied response. Obviously those of us who are voicing strong opposition to your piece are motivated by our friendship with Kristina, Eia and Alex and our concern for their feelings, but some of us are also coming from the perspective of artists who’ve grown a lot since we first started writing wizard rock songs. This community has changed me in many ways, and it’s definitely affected my songwriting and approach to performing. Just meeting and spending significant time with Adam Dubberly has allowed me to progress as an artist. Imagine how the entire community has affected me if just one person can completely reshape how I think about and approach wizard rock. You’re not just a fan and a member of the community, you’re a writer for wizard rock’s most legitimate news site. People take you seriously. If you’re stating that you think the Parselmouths are “done” because they’ve changed their lineup and developed a new sound, then wouldn’t that potentially apply to all wizard rock bands? Are you telling us that we shouldn’t take chances with our bands because it might throw the fans for a loop?

  55. Kristina Avatar

    I’m going to comment, even though Dinah and I are going to work together to write a follow-up article in a more professional way than blog comments where people seem to get unneccessarily riled up over things that aren’t actually as big of a deal as they are making them out to be.

    Someone said, “though I think it IS not bad that we talk about this”, and that bothered me, because while I do love to hear how fans review my band and what they like and don’t like, I don’t feel like this is a topic that warrants us all to sit down together in a round table discussion and decide together what is right for my band. I am the Parselmouths. That is my identity in this community. That is what I have spent my time doing for the past 5 years and even if I renamed the project, I bet many people would find themselves saying “Oh have you gotten that new album, _____ ? It’s by ______. The new Parselmouth album.”

    Also, another thing, is that I don’t feel that in sticking up for my right to keep my band name people are “attacking” Dinah. No one attacked Dinah. No one said anything beyond their opinion that maybe this wasn’t the best way to approach this topic. I was never informed prior to publishing this that the decision to keep my band name was going to be challenged. I read this article in a state of shock, wnodering if all the nice things people said to me at LeakyCon were untrue because people think I am “trying to hold on to the past” or something.

    People keep saying “chill out” and that’s a really passive aggressive way to tell people that they shouldn’t be sticking up for their friend. This article WAS really out of left field and mildly innapropriate, regardless of Dinah’s intention. The wizrocklopedia may be trying to act more like a blog but it is still a news site, has always been relatively unbiased, and has NEVER published anything like this before. I felt singled out.

    James said the changes happened “so quickly that fans didnt have time to adjust” .. I have to disagree. First, over a year ago, Eia joined the band. Then Brittany quit. Then Brittany rejoined. Then we recorded a poppier, dancier album. Then Brittany quit again. Then we recorded a second pop/dance album, and since we were already booked for LeakyCon, we enlisted the help of Alex Day under the impression that he was “Harry Potter”, who is also a Parselmouth, which was received with nothing but praise and positive comments. A Parselmouth isn’t just a Slytherin and I thought we made that work.

    If I renamed this band and started pver, essentially what would have to happen is that we write all new music and never play another Parselmouth song again. That the fans are telling me that “What Kind of Name is Hermione”, “It’s Not Half Bad”, “This is Never Going to End” all die with Brittany’s leaving, even though I wrote all of those songs. I don’t want this to be the case. But I suppose I have to ask the fans honestly, is this what you want?

  56. Lauren Myrtle Avatar

    Well, I’m glad that you aren’t getting worked up by this, Jace. Unfortunately, I am not lucky enough to be able to read something like this and just let it go. Yes, I am standing up for my friends. Yes, I think it is ignorant to say that a band that has evolved needs to start over with a new name despite having the same founding member and the same purpose and that it is inappropriate to continue otherwise. And you are right, there is clearly a difference between being offended personally and being offended on behalf of my friend.

    Dinah, your article as a whole, specifically the analysis of their changes and recent performances was not negative at all! I understand that you were merely covering and celebrating their evolution as a band, but it was your conclusion that their band name is no longer appropriate for what they are doing that set me off. It was only that section of your article that I was commenting on, and I should have specified that.

    I have been very close to Kristina’s position. I’ve played quite a few shows without Nina, playing guitar (which I taught myself solely for the purpose of being able to play without her if I had to) and singing solo. If I had been told in such a public forum that it was inappropriate for me to continue as The Moaning Myrtles, despite still having songs from Myrtle’s perspective and being in that band for several years, I would not only have reacted this way in response but also felt rejected and hurt by the community that I have loved and supported for so long.

    I know that this is just your opinion, but that doesn’t mean it isn’t hurtful. I hope you know that I am in no way attacking you as a person, Dinah. You know that I think you’re fantastic and I’m so glad that we got to hang out at LeakyCon.

  57. Alatarielle Avatar
    Alatarielle

    Lauen: “If you had emailed it to Kristina as a suggestion to her band, it would have been just as upsetting. The fact that this was posted publically on what I view as a respected news site that documents and celebrates the fantastic community we’ve all helped to create makes it even worse.”

    But that is exactly the point, isnt it? It was posted on a site *about* Wizard Rock in an attempt to expand the possibilities we have in this community. To do something new and interessting with this site. It’s not suppose to be “I, Dinah, am the queen of the news and the wrock and say that you, Kristina, should better change your bandname.” That is totally what this article emailed to Kristina could have been seen as. Which of course would have been inappropriate.
    This might be different to the normal news things we are all used to from the wizrocklopedia. But then if the bands can try out new things and a new style why cant this site?
    And journalism is definitely more than just stating news.

    Dont you think it should be possible for people involved in the fandom (and as actively involved as Dinah) to make suggestions within their possibilities? I thought the bands are always pro feedback?
    Basically what the comments from you, Matt, Alex (not the Parselmouths one) and a couple others are sounding like to me is that articles like this shouldnt be posted here. (hold on, there might be direct quotes for that.
    Matt: “Alex: “This article doesn’t match this site.” Agreed. “)

    I’m sorry, I might be out of line saying this, (and I certainly don’t wanna attack or upset anyone) I agree with Matt saying, the bands dont exists to please the fans but I also think that the wizrocklopedia doesnt exists to please the bands.

    Now (and to quote Lauren here) “who are you to tell one of the most dedicated and talented people in this community” what she should publish and what kinda opinion she should put on the site she’s putting all this work in and which ones she should keep to herself?

    All she said were positive things about the Parselmouths in the past and present, plus adding some opinion of her own. Suggesting something and attacking someone are two different things.
    I agree with Jace when he says that “there’s a difference between sticking up for your friends and calling people ignorant because you don’t agree with their opinions”
    Especially because I don’t really see any attacks coming from the article.

    I guess the *problem* in this community is that because most people are just really close to each other things get really personal real fast.

  58. Hope Avatar
    Hope

    I think that everyone should step away from their computers, take three deep breaths, and then come back. The fact that one reply person felt “the need to keep myself Anonymous to save myself from being lynched” is saying something very strong.

    Now I don’t think I have much say here because I’ve only been in the Wrock community for about a year and the only Parselmouths I know is songs from WZRD, Podcast of Awesome, and youtube. But I’m seeing a trend forming and themes are starting to repeat themselves in this thread.

    1. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions. Yes, this is true.
    2. Dinah made a mistake in posting this article before it had an “opinion” label at the top. Yes this is true and she apologized for it.
    3. Everyone is starting to nitpick certain things being said at each other. In my opinion that anything like that needs to be moved to a more private forum.

    Bands and albums change. It’s a fact and it’s the nature of music. A plethora of muggle bands change all the time! For example, my favorite band (and you can laugh if you want because people always laugh at me) is My Chemical Romance. About a year and a half ago, Mikey left to take time away. Fans were furious, but Gerald (his brother and front man) said the band was still the same no matter who his replacement was as Mikey took a band sabbatical. And that his replacement for the time should be treated with the same amount of respect as any other band member.

    Now I’m not saying in any form that we’re not treating any one here with no respect. That’s the nature of this community is that we love and respect each other. From the founding fathers of Wrock to the myspace bands with 25 friends, we’re all equals here. Even the replacements or “shadows”

    Also, music changes with bands. With My Chem Romance, there is a drastic change between all three of their CDs. Just from Three Cheers for Sweet Revenge to The Black Parade, the music alters. Three Cheers is more like a sampling of the punk genre while Black Parade is an artistic journey of the life and death of a cancer patient.

    Bands, people, and music evolves. It’s a fact of life and art. My writing style is drastically different than it was five years ago because of my trials of college and life issues as well.

    But I do agree that whatever happens, it’s Kristina, Eia, and Alex’s choice and no one here.

    I hope that all made sense!

  59. Whompy Avatar

    “Why are you bringing Demons at the Helm into this?”

    I brought it up because it’s a personal example of how I understand the process of growth and development as a musician/artist. How I understand that process intimately, and not just from the perspective of a listener. Just a little extra backbone behind the general points I was trying to make. I also cited The Remus Lupins and their progression as musicians/songwriters, as well as Draco and the Malfoys and their experimentations with different styles.

    Her article expresses her opinion that The Parselmouths are “done” and should change their name and form a new band because they’ve undergone lineup changes and because their style/sound has changed since Sssss was released. Using that same logic, all of the aforementioned bands (including my own) should also change their name/quit/reform/whatever. I disagree wholeheartedly with that notion.

    What if I decide to release an album that explores the perspectives of characters besides the Whomping Willow? Should I use a different band name for that release? No. Here’s why: I’ve worked really, really hard to create, maintain, and promote The Whomping Willows. It’s my band, it’s my identity, and I have every right to release any music I want to under that name.

    Kristina has worked just as hard with The Parselmouths, and that name carries weight in the wizard rock community. A Parselmouths release receives attention because it’s a Parselmouths release, and that attention is deserving because of the work Kristina has put into her band. Suggesting that she give that up is… I dunno, just wrong.

    Just my opinion!

  60. Whompy Avatar

    Alatarielle: “Basically what the comments from you, Matt, Alex (not the Parselmouths one) and a couple others are sounding like to me is that articles like this shouldnt be posted here.”…. “the wizrocklopedia doesnt exists to please the bands.”

    You’re totally right, the wizrocklopedia doesn’t exist to please the bands. I’m all for Dinah’s right to speak her mind; I’m also in favor of my right to openly disagree with her opinions.

    I question people whose only participation in these types of discussions is to say, “Everybody chill out, stop attacking each other!” Nobody’s attacking anyone. Dinah’s original statements weren’t just light observations, they were very serious statements about the state of The Parselmouths, whether they should continue in their current form or scrap all their hard work and start something new. I am responding with some very serious statements of my own. At the end of the day, I’m sure Dinah and I will emerge from this discussion with a stronger sense of friendship and understanding of each other. Expressing one’s feelings and opinions is never a bad thing.

    When Alex and I agreed that this article doesn’t match the rest of the site, I think we meant that it came as a bit of a shock to see a representative of the wizrocklopedia openly state that they think a particular wizard rock band should retire and/or reform itself.

    It’s a really strong statement to make, and if she’s going to call out The Parselmouths on supposedly being a different band than they were in 2006, then perhaps she should just go ahead and call out every other wizard rock band that’s changed over the years.

  61. Kristina Avatar

    “I know for sure that Dinah emailed the band before posting this article.”

    This is just false. She emailed me to tell me an article about “the evolution of my band” would be posted, but never once did she warn me what her actual topic would be. I was shocked when I read this article last night.

    Also, another point I wanted to bring up, is that Spattergroit had more songs about being a Parselmouth than any other album ever has, which is something I tried to do to keep with the spirit of the band name, since I decided to keep using it and Brittany said that was okay.

    We introduced Alex into the band with a song featuring him as Harry, also a fellow Parselmouth in the books.

    I put a lot of thought into this before I went ahead with the same name; Eia and I discussed it, Brittany and I discussed it, I even asked family and friends their opinions… and I just don’t feel like I need the fans re-evaluating my decision.

    There are plenty of bands who have a character name and don’t just write songs about that character. The Remus Lupins, for one. Alex doesn’t just write songs about Remus – he never has and no one has ever cared. We too tried expanding what we were doing. It started in “Pretty in Pink and Green” when we tested out writing a song each about Bellatrix and Narcissa. “My Obsession” and “We Belong Together” are two of the most popular songs on that album. Spattergroit has a song about Hermione and Luna because Eia contributed them to the band, but the rest of the songs are about being a Parselmouth or hold true to the band’s theme which is writing songs about bratty/spoiled girls who go to Hogwarts.

  62. Dinahsaur Avatar

    I want to just add a quick note right now. I don’t have the energy to do more right now.

    At the end of the day, I have learned a lot of where I went wrong in approaching this article and feel like I have apologized for all those mistakes I have made. So may I ask that my mistakes not be used as fodder for the fire any longer?

    And I want to remind everyone one last time (for now) that this is an opinion and it is quite possible that it will change following my discussion with Kristina and the work we will do together on a follow-up, hence my suggestion of working on a follow-up with her prior to posting the article.

    True, I did not make my opinion portion of the article directly clear prior to publishing, but I have already apologized to her in private for that slip of mine. Again, I made mistakes and I am willing to accept the consequences.

    Anyway, I’ll get back to responding to direct comments again later. I don’t have the heart for it right now.

  63. Camie Avatar

    Kristina, I get ya.

  64. Whompy Avatar

    I also think it would’ve been wise/appropriate for Dinah to interview Kristina thoroughly before posting anything about Brittany’s departure from the band and Kristina’s ensuing hiring of Alex to take her place. This article glosses over the months when The Parselmouths were a three-piece, during which time Eia established herself as a legit member of the band who wasn’t existing solely in Brittany’s shadow. It also disregards the fact that Kristina really had to scramble to replace Brittany in the days leading up to LeakyCon, and that Alex had to learn a lot of material in a very short period of time — not just the chords and lyrics, but also the little idiosyncrasies that come along with a Parselmouths show.

    I think it’s the fact that Dinah cites a lot of inaccurate/incomplete information to back up her opinions that really bugs me. Generally, an op/ed piece is rooted in facts derived from research, not general observation and extrapolations.

  65. Whompy Avatar

    And I just read your request that people stop commenting on your mistakes. So I guess I’ll stop. But I really don’t understand how you had the strength to post something like this, and now lack the strength to deal with the response.

    Hopefully your conversation with Kristina will be enlightening, and I look forward to reading the follow up.

  66. Dinahsaur Avatar

    Sorry, I meant the ones that have been corrected, apologized for, and acknowledged. I am happy to continue taking constructive criticism, however.

  67. Ravenclaw2313 Avatar
    Ravenclaw2313

    First and foremost I want to say that textual communication has its downfalls. As a writer I understand the importance of word choice, because it can set the tone. When speaking in person facial expressions and vocal variations fill in a lot of the blanks; they make sarcasm obvious and constructive criticism kinder. When putting words on a page you simply don’t have that luxury. Everything that is written must be considered from all perspectives. If I type “Mallory is really different.” the interpretations are endless. Is she different/retarded? Different but I think she’s awesome? Different and she gives me the creeps? All of these are possible interpretations and should be considered.

    I mention this because I have met a few of the commenter’s in person and I know how they speak. The words might look harsh on the page but the intention behind them is completely different. I think that was the problem with the original article as well. After reading Dinah’s comments I can tell that the intention for the piece was different than what was interpreted. The same goes for some comments. Having met Lauren personally a few times I can say that bitchy is never a word I would use. Loyal and true are more accurate (she is a Hufflepuff) and knowing that I can see read the tone in her comments. I also have read a lot of post by Matt and know that he tends to be intellectual and critical but catty isn’t a word I would use.

    In the end I think that this discussion is good, it is healthy to share opinions. There is nothing wrong with expressing yourself on either side. What matters is the how. Reading these I don’t feel like there was an attack on Dinah. I can see why Kristina would be shocked by this article and I know that perhaps the words didn’t accurately describe the intentions, but I don’t think the article was meant to be hurtful.

    As far as my own option is concerned I love Kristina’s music; however she chooses to make it. The same goes for Eia and Alex (although I am fairly new to Alex’s music).

  68. Freya Avatar

    I did not read this before Dinah posted it, and while I don’t necessarily agree with everything she had to say, I think it’s unfair to expect the Wizrocklopedia to be completely unbiased. We do claim to be a news blog, first and foremost, but an opinion piece by an editor should not have to be quelled for someone’s feelings (Sorry, Kristina). I have had plenty of people tell me that the ‘pedia should do more than just post news. That being said, perhaps we will make sure that our wording is a tad more precise before something like this is published.
    And Lauren, Matt, of course you can and should defend your friend and fellow artist! Kristina, thank you for weighing in with your opinion as well. I appreciate that everyone has had a healthy debate about this and I think it’s great that so many different people had an opinion. It’s like Grace said, “I’m glad to see this sort of dialogue happening on the Wizrocklopedia.” I certainly don’t want to be a gossip site, but a bit of a differing opinion is never a bad thing. At least it makes you think.

  69. James Avatar

    “I think it’s the fact that Dinah cites a lot of inaccurate/incomplete information to back up her opinions that really bugs me”

    This to me seems like a stretch. Re-reading the actual article their isn’t much factual information presented in the first place (with regards to the controversial issue).

    The article is an opinion piece and I don’t think calls for a tremendous amount of facts.

    While re-reading i also feel the discussion has progressed beyond the article and has now become more of a discussion about peoples opinions.

  70. JS Avatar
    JS

    There is an old riddle: suppose someone had a boat and over the years kept making repairs to the boat, replacing old planks with new ones. Eventually none of the original planks remain in the boat. Meanwhile, someone had been collecting all the old discarded planks and put them back together in the shape of the original boat. Which of the two resulting boats is the original? It seems to me that you are justified in either belief. So Dinah thinks that the boat made from the original material is the original, Matt thinks that the repaired boat is the original. We can understand why each thinks their view is correct and we shouldn’t be angry at either side for it.
    Suppose Britany started a new band that sounded more like the original Parselmouths (The Original Flight of the Conchords?) which band would be the Parselmouths? I think that the question can’t be answered. The question can only be should Kristina be ALLOWED to call the band The Parselmouths, and since Britany is fine with it–the only person whose opinion matters–we should be too.

  71. AlleyCast Jen Avatar
    AlleyCast Jen

    I’m not sure that this opinion will be too popular either, but I feel like its slightly different from those that have been expressed, so here goes anyway.

    I think that this discussion shows that, mostly, this community is capable of a debate that doesn’t get all attackish. Clearly emotions are running high – I read the comments that might be considered catty as emotional, which is entirely different. I don’t think that anyone has attacked anyone else yet. If you compare this discussion with most debates that happen over the Internet, this is nowhere near a flame war or as insulting and degrading as most debates become. It’s okay to be upset; it’s okay to show that you are upset. It’s not okay to attack, and as far as I can tell, there has been no attacking. I feel like this can clearly resolve itself when we all act like respectful people (even when those people have emotions) and as long as everyone continues to do that, everyone grows from the experience.

    I want to commend Dinah in her response to being so heavily criticized. She has acknowledged things that she feels she could have done differently and has carried herself with a great deal of integrity. I also want to commend Kristina in her response in expressing the way that she feels and standing up for herself while still being respectful.

    I encourage everyone else to continue constructive discussion; there are some really interesting themes that we could tease out that have significant meaning for the community. Explore the themes that are salient and discuss those. I urge us to not break into the habit of nitpicking every single point made that we might disagree with – nitpicking can lead to brow beating points that in the end aren’t as significant and interesting as they might seem during the heat of debate.

  72. Dinahsaur Avatar

    Quick warning:

    If you are a first time commenter and make a comment in the next hour or so, sorry if you aren’t approved immediately… I’m taking my much needed lunch break and will be back to approving new comments soon as I’m back.

  73. Whompy Avatar

    Well… that could just further my point, James. If there aren’t facts presented to provide a foundation for her opinions, then isn’t it fair for us to question the validity of her opinion?

    Obviously I don’t expect everyone to agree with me here, but again, I just feel like there are way too many missteps in this piece. Another example:

    “Having been in the Wizard Rock Community for so long, I hope that the Parselmouths will acknowledge that the band was fantastic, fun-filled, and wonderful for the fans, but perhaps it is no longer accurate to call the band by that name.”

    She implies that the band has already ended by putting a portion of this statement in the past tense: the band was fantastic, fun-filled, and wonderful for the fans. It may read like a compliment on the surface, but the implication that the band is already “done” is pretty strong.

    Whatevs. We can nitpick details all day but it probably won’t get us anywhere. At my very core, I really just feel bad that Kristina was singled out by the Wizrocklopedia. And I do think that while just about any discussion is worth having, calling for a band to retire, regroup, and/or rename itself via a self-professed news site is potentially destructive to the community as a whole.

  74. Kevin Avatar
    Kevin

    “Someone said, “though I think it IS not bad that we talk about this”, and that bothered me, because while I do love to hear how fans review my band and what they like and don’t like, I don’t feel like this is a topic that warrants us all to sit down together in a round table discussion and decide together what is right for my band.”

    I’m sorry if it came across as if I was trying to get such a thing going. I just think it’s nice to have a discussion about changing musical styles in general and in wizard rock.

  75. Kevin Avatar
    Kevin

    And I agree that singling out Kristina/The Parselmouths for this wasn’t a good choice but I don’t think Dinah foresaw this.

  76. James Avatar

    “I think it’s the fact that Dinah cites a lot of inaccurate/incomplete information to back up her opinions that really bugs me”

    “Well… that could just further my point, James. If there aren’t facts presented to provide a foundation for her opinions, then isn’t it fair for us to question the validity of her opinion?”

    I never said there wasn’t any facts i basically was in the middle of these two opposing points. I don’t think anyone who writes an article like this is gonna base it off little or no facts. The basic facts were presented. New band members, new style.

    “And I do think that while just about any discussion is worth having, calling for a band to retire, regroup, and/or rename itself via a self-professed news site is potentially destructive to the community as a whole.”

    I completely disagree with this statement. People have been discussing this so its appropriate for a news outlet to discuss the issue. I think the follow up will be an excellent thing to read, especially with any reformed opinions that Dinah has.

    I dont believe this and future discussions will destroy the community, it may reshape the community into something different and hopefully better. I have faith that everyone will come out of this as you put it “with a stronger sense of friendship and understanding of each other”

  77. Dinahsaur Avatar

    @Kevin I foresaw a backlash and a debate, yes. I didn’t foresee the extreme emotional reactions. Again, I’m learning from this experience! It’s very interesting in the long-run, it’s very difficult in the short-term.

  78. Whompy Avatar

    James: I believe it’s potentially destructive because it puts fear into the minds of bands that any changes they make to their format, lineup, sound, whatever, will be negatively received by fans and even press. Musicians are already sensitive people as it is. We put ourselves out there, and in doing so we open ourselves up to criticism, speculation, and both positive and negative attention in general. It’s part of the game, and it’s to be expected; we can’t expect everyone to love what we do. But there’s a difference between music criticism and… calling for a band to change its name or retire. I don’t think the wizard rock community needs to be all flowers and lollipops all the time, but I also don’t feel that an opinion as extreme as this one is altogether justifiable. Maybe I’m old-fashioned or maybe I’m just being over-emotional in defending my friend. Whatever. I think I’ve stated my opinion to the best of my ability, and like I said, I’m looking forward to the follow-up article.

  79. Whompy Avatar

    Sorry. To further clarify my point: it’s potentially destructive because if bands feel hesitant to follow their creative whims for fear of rejection, then the music and energy and enthusiasm they put out will suffer, and the scene might become bland as a result. I’ve always felt that diversity, creativity, energy, and enthusiasm were some of wizard rock’s biggest strengths. Discouraging bands to explore new sounds, expand their lineups and ultimately change as they see fit is counterproductive to the overall growth of the scene, in my opinion.

  80. Dinahsaur Avatar

    To put it simply, there is no rejection of the music in this article nor in anything I have stated. So I don’t think it’s off-putting in that regard. Again, that’s just my perspective at this time. After further discussion with Kristina, that may change. We’ll see. Like you said, the follow-up that Kristina and I work on together should be interesting and informative. I look forward to working on it probably more than you look forward to reading it!

    And as a side note on bands exploring different sounds, that’s not been, nor ever has been, discouraged in this community or in this article. However, a number of bands have made the decision to perform their alternative music under different band names. Not everyone has, nor will everyone. But it has happened and nothing has ever stopped bands from exploring different sounds, nor do I hope anything ever does! I love the creativity and variety found in Wizard Rock more than almost anything else (other than the overall love and acceptance found in this community).

    I hope that was clear and made sense. My mind is a bit fuzzy at this point. 😛

  81. Denni Towle Avatar

    I am the last person to speak, because I don’t need any negitive things involving me anymore, but since everyone stuck in their 2 cents, I will.

    I have changed my style at least 5 or 6 times since 2004, I no longer have that dark brooding attitude I had then. When I started to put ok happy happy joy joy songs, my band name was still The Cruciatus Curse, and I sang happy songs. I believe that as long as one origianl member of a band is still in the band then the band can call themselves that name, if no members are involved that were prior, I think it might be distasteful possibly, but all in all its the bands choice and theirs alone. We as musicians, not only Wizard Rock musicians, but musicians in general, have the right to call ourselves anything, we have the right to sing about anything, we have the right to scream and yell and piss people off or make them so happy they cry. But in the end it is the musician who chooses.

    Now as to the article being put on this site, go for it, I love it. When I got my ass blasted off by Matt a few years ago, it was on the news sites, and that was only some opinions, not all facts. Opinions drive us to get better, and we all get better each day. While not many people like me for their own personal reasons, I still agree that Wizard Rock is Wizard Rock and we all have grown and so has our music and our news sites and our blogs and artwork and shows. I personally loved seeing the Parselmouths at Wrock Chicago, they were awesome! But then again I had to follow them, try coming close to that show. I love Wizard Rock, I have messed up many times and still people listen to my music so I love it.

    Well I am rambling on now about nothing, so keep your opinions coming we love to hear them, and all the bands keep doing what you love, no matter what you call yourselves and Read Books or I’ll Curse You!

    p.s.
    I would love to hear what everyone thinks about the changes in each wrock band, I would love to see a new column or something that focus’ on the changes in each band, do a weekly band or something and people can voice their opinions. I would like to see that. but thats just me.

  82. Jace Avatar

    Can we just clarify real fast that when the one and only time the word “retire” was used, it meant the name; not the band itself.

    I keep reading comments that keep implying (or at least, how i have read them to say,) that the author is asking for the band itself to retire. Which is not, nor has ever been the case.

    In my opinion, the word has been over-used, and it starting to bug me, haha.

    Now, since I have not posted my own opinions, I figure I might as well throw them out now while I’ve had all day to think about it.

    It would be unfair for me to say that Dinah is wrong for feeling that the band could also be successful under a different name. In a way she’s right, and in a way she’s wrong.

    Kristina is amazing, and I think we all can agree to that. She is a powerhouse and I admire her for everything she does. It seems she has the golden touch, and everything she does is bound to succeed regardless of name or members… like ALL CAPS and 5AG… not saying she’s the only reason either of those do so well, but merely she has an amazing talent, and a following. She could probably do whatever she wants and rock at it. So a new name, I could see working out.

    But, I still don’t agree.

    During my hiatus I have been working on music, not all wizard rock. I took the hiatus to figure out what to do next, and how to approach it with the same enthusiasm as i had when first starting out. After months of working on new music, I contemplated a new band name. Why? Because the music was new and different. I was bringing in new people into the equation. But, I am Catchlove, and Catchlove is who I am.

    So I disagree with Dinah on that aspect, because even though new people have been added, and the band has evolved and grown into something better; It’s still the Parslemouths, through-and-through.

    Aaaaand thats all i got. 😉

  83. WizardRockDA Avatar

    Ok, first off, if anything I’ve said is coming across as nit-picking comments or brow beating, I didn’t intend it that way. I’m a Ravenclaw. If I see a flaw in the logic of an argument, I feel compelled to point it out. Matt’s logic comparing the changes in the Parselmouths to the changes in the Whomping Willows or in the Remus Lupins over the past year seemed flawed to my (clearly different) perspective, and I felt a need to point that out.

    Secondly, each comment added brings new perspective and better understanding to the discussion. Kristina said “People keep saying “chill out” and that’s a really passive aggressive way to tell people that they shouldn’t be sticking up for their friend.” Which goes to show just how differently various people have interpreted the article. I read the earlier comments as attacking Dinah rather than sticking up for Kristina, because I didn’t feel anything accusatory or attacking or negative about Kristina or her band or her decisions had been said in the article (and I certainly didn’t see it as Dinah deciding it was time for a public discussion to decide the future of the Parselmouths) and therefore I didn’t see need for anyone to stick up for her. Clearly, especially from some of the more clarifying later comments, some people took a very different meaning from the article than I did.

    From where I’m looking at this discussion right now, it seems what it really all boils down to is different perspectives on how we look at identity within the community. From Kristina’s perspective, and from the perspective of Matt, Lauren, and others, (and especially those who know the band members well personally), the identity of Kristina in the community is the Parselmouths. From the perspective of Dinah, and various others who agreed with her, (and especially those of us who don’t know the band members well personally), the identity of the Parselmouths in the community is Kristina and Brittney. I think if all of us step back and look at these identity definitions from the opposite perspective for a minute, we’ll all understand where the others are coming from a lot better and avoid further misunderstandings and confusion as much as possible.

  84. Dinahsaur Avatar

    Hey everyone!

    It seems the conversation has died down mostly, so I would like to put my finishing note on it for now.

    Thank you to everyone for your input and interest in the discussion. You have given me a lot to think about regarding my opinion and the way I look at not only the Parselmouths, but all bands as I listen to their music over time.

    At times, things got a little heated, but what kind of debate would this be without that, I suppose?

    I am going to leave the debate for now and will provide my future thoughts in coordination with Kristina in our follow-up article to this one. I don’t know when it will be published as both of us are rather busy (especially Kristina this weekend! Have a safe trip!). We will be discussing things tonight and hopefully will be able to have something ready for everyone sometime next week!

    Again, thanks for all your input and I’ll be seeing all of you around the interweb and hopefully at Azkatraz, Wrockstock, and other future events!

    Feel free to continue your discussion if you choose. I simply am taking myself out of it now.

    And as a slight ps. Please, when discussing my thoughts and opinions, pay closer attention to what it is I actually said instead of the interpretations presented by others. Some have been not entirely accurate, so I don’t want to cause further upset with things I don’t believe being put to my name. Thanks! You all are awesome.

  85. L Avatar
    L

    “Her article expresses her opinion that The Parselmouths are “done” and should change their name and form a new band because they’ve undergone lineup changes and because their style/sound has changed since Sssss was released. Using that same logic, all of the aforementioned bands (including my own) should also change their name/quit/reform/whatever. I disagree wholeheartedly with that notion.”

    Is it just me who’s slightly amused by the fact that Matt said this, having chosen to release his hip-hop/rap style music under a perhaps not entirely removed, but certainly modified, version of his band name in order to differentiate? XD

    I’m not going to get involved because I feel pretty much everything has already been said. I love Dinah, and even though God knows I don’t always agree with what she says, I’m glad she has the balls to give her opinion, even if it’s unpopular. <3

  86. Emily Avatar

    Since I commented once before the debate got heated, and I’m now reading all the comments after everything has died down, I would like to say one more thing. I’ve already made my opinion clear (in what I hope came across in a very civil and polite way — if I offended anyone I am truly sorry!), so I won’t say any more about that. I do, however, want to tell you, Dinah, that you’ve handled all the backlash from this article, positive and negative, in a very professional and humble way and I want to commend you for that. I really respect your ability to not only stay calm and not take offense, but to also accept all the criticism and use it to improve. Whether I agree with your opinion piece or not, I truly respect your attitude.

    I’m also quite impressed with everyone who was involved in the debate. Very few people were rude (in fact, I’m not sure if I read anything that was overtly rude), and everyone seemed to respect one another. This is why I love this community; even when we disagree, we don’t abuse each other.

  87. Eia (Parselmouth) Avatar
    Eia (Parselmouth)

    I’m a little shocked by this article….

  88. Kaitlyn Avatar

    The Parselmouths do sound very different now, but they should be allowed to change if they want to. I thought this article made some good points at first, but I changed my mind once I thought about it more. Bands go through lineup changes all the time. Think about all of those classic rock bands that have been around forever. Half of them perform under the original band name with just one or two of the original performers. If Queen can reunite without Freddie (not that I’m particularly jazzed about that idea), then the Parselmouths should be allowed to survive and grow without Brittany if they choose to. Plus, if they started performing as a new band, you know you’d miss hearing all of the classic Parselmouths songs at live shows.

    The only thing that disappoints me a little is the loss of the overall Slytherin-girl feel that was so obvious in the past. It was a fun a gimmick that I really liked, so it’s taking me some time to adjust to the new image.

  89. Georgia Riddle Avatar

    Good Lord, I managed to read all the comments. Gold star for me.

    Looking back now, I do think people are being extremely unsympathetic towards Kristina’s feelings. You should think carefully when you say “well it’s just my opinion,” because opinions can still hurt even though they are not meant to. Telling a musician to change their band name is like telling someone to stop being who they are; it puts a limit on how much a band can change and evolve before you have to stop, which seems to be to be very at odds with Wizard Rock and the HP fandom – a community focussed on appreciating people for who they are and encouraging creative freedom.

    Matt’s totally right when he says musicians are sensitive, because when it gets right down to it without the fan’s support we bands wouldn’t have got past our basements/living rooms/spare rooms upstairs. Add to that the fact that Wizard Rock is such a loving community where everyone is friends with everyone makes opinions all the more important to the people reading them. I’m not saying you shouldn’t give your opinions and obviously constructive criticism is good for the soul, but some of you don’t seem to be looking at it from Kristina’s point of view.

    How would you feel if you’d worked hard for 5 years building up a brilliant band that people said they loved only to discover that because a band member left people are discussing whether you should change your band’s identity? Doesn’t that make each of the other band members seem a little bit small and insignificant?
    And you can say that “oh but it doesn’t really matter, because at the end of the day it’s the band’s decision”, obviously that’s true. But that doesn’t mean your opinions won’t have an effect on that decision.

    Besides, Spattergroit is the album with the most songs about actual Parseltongue on there. Creating that album, Kristina obviously wanted to maintain the fact that they are THE PARSELMOUTHS. I personally love that they have a new line-up, because it offers different points of view, new personalities to work songs around and a whole exciting new dimension to the band. It shows just how talented they are to be able to be diverse like that. I loved their show at LeakyCon, I was laughing and enjoying myself all the way through, just like I was at Wrock Chicago. They weren’t, and please note the quotations, “better” when they were old. They’re just new now, with a Reparo charm and a lick of red and blue paint. New members, new sound. New New Parselmouths : -D.

    Anyway, if you’ve managed to focus your eyes long enough to read all the comments without going blind, by my stab-in-the-dark calculations we’ve racked up $1.72 in two cents on this discussion. You could buy two packets of crisps and a can of coke for that much, or donate it to the HPA. Well done us.

  90. Amy Avatar

    Musicians are sensitive. And personally I don’t think it would be a good idea for Kristina to change the name of the Parselmouths. In fact, I think it would be damaging to the status of the band – something she’s worked very, very hard for over a number of years.

    However, I understand where Dinah was coming from. It didn’t come across as an attack to me. I can also see where Lauren is coming from as a friend and Matt as a protective musician. But this article was written by a fan. She has a perspective that none of us has. I consider Kristina a friend and I consider myself a musician, which means that I’m going to have different influences on my opinion than Dinah. If I were just a fan (and I’m not belittling this in any way, after all, who the hell are we without people to listen to our music?) I might have the same opinion as Dinah.

    I don’t feel the need to defend Kristina here because I don’t see anything malicious in the article- just an opinion. I know that may be difficult to swallow because as people who know her, we know that Kristina is like the ultimate Slytherin: hard working and determined. She has spent so much time on, and been so passionate about the Parselmouths for the last few years. We, as her friends, also know how hard and rocky is has been for her with Brittany branching off into other things and not knowing if she really wants to be in the band or not. Again, Dinah is an objective fan – someone who looked at the Parselmouths and believed it to be a duo of equal importance.

    I’d also like to acknowledge that none of us is denying that music changes. It grows and develops as time goes on. From my reading of the article, Dinah understands that too. And I have to admit that I understand where she’s coming from in saying that they’re not the same band that they used to be. THEY’RE NOT! But *once again*, as someone who knows Kristina, I know that it has been HER passion and determination that has been the driving force, heart and soul of the band since the beginning. Dinah could not possibly know that. But she is open to listening, it would seem from her comments.

    It is *my* opinion, and everyone is free to disagree with this: that even though some of the readers may be closer to Kristina, they should try to be objective and see that this is the opinion of an avid fan. Someone who cares about preserving the magic that was the Parselmouths when it was just Kristina and Brittany. The magic that came from having two best friends and big personalities on stage. In any change of lineup there’s a change of dynamic. My opinion here is that as long as Kristina’s there it’s still the Parselmouths, but without Brittany, it’s not the same Parselmouths.

    o.O

    <3

  91. Abby Avatar
    Abby

    My 2 cents, mainly because now several of my friends are upset about the whole situation and now I feel compelled to address it. And yes, I know nobody asked, that’s one of the points I’m about to make. Feel free to ignore all of this… it’s just my opinion after all.

    1. If you feel the need to even constructively criticize something someone’s done publicly, perhaps a private note vs public comments is the best thing, in order to protect people’s feelings/pride from being hurt. Then let that person decide what they want to do, instead of forcing them into an awkward position, otherwise you’re going to look like a bully no matter how well-intended.

    2. Things posted on public websites should always be discussed, proofread and approved by the team behind the website before going live.(checks and balances!)

    3. Everyone involved, (including myself) has posted an unsolicited opinion. Unsolicited opinions can, and often should be, simply ignored.
    That can really complicate matters given the source however, especially when people think they have have more “right” to have an opinion over others. None of us do, though… despite what it may seem like, nobody in wizard rock is the head honcho. We have no defined leaders, no regime in charge, even depsite the efforts of some to gain that control. That’s anarchy, and this kind of stuff comes with the territory.

    I read Dinah’s article and literally shrugged it off, my feeling being that only really Kristina and Eia had a right to say anything, as the article was about them.
    Am I an apathetic wizard rock fan? Not at all. I could just tell right away that it was just her personal thoughts, but also sensed that she probably hadn’t planned it out that well nor had she run it past anyone before she made it live, so it carried little weight for me. That’s just bad journalism… but she needn’t be symbolically thrown to the lions for it. I’m SURE there’s been a massive lesson learned, but if not… well, it’s not my (or anyone else’s) place to teach it.

    Thanks for reading. I consider it an honor… not a right, that people listen to me at all. 😀

  92. John(Parselmouth Fan) Avatar
    John(Parselmouth Fan)

    I totally disagree with the above article and I find it almost vindictive. Yes The Parselmouths have changed slight but if anything I see Spattergroit as their Sgt Peppers. Its expanding their musical ideas with the Flute being used in one particular piece. The vocal harmones are fantastic. I do personally believe that it is their experimently Sgt Peppers-esque Album and I love that. Also I hope that this article and some peoples views have hurt Kristina as it is her and Brittany’s child almost created from nothing and people are saying she should just change as its not the same.

  93. Trudy Avatar
    Trudy

    I would also like to commend Dinah on her reactions to the reactions. If it were me who wrote the article I would be feeling pretty wretched. Although I’m sure Dinah is braver than I am, well done to her.

    Also I want to say that I seemed to have read the article differently than many of the commenters. To me, it was less saying, “Kristina, you need to change the name,” as much as it was saying, “Hey, here is something you could do, if you wanted.”

    Kristina said above herself that at one point she was thinking about whether to change the name or not. She decided not to, probably for reasons of being a Parselmouth as her personal identity, like Jace said was a reason for not changing the name Catchlove. Dinah, as a fan, would obviously have a different view of the “identity” of the band. To her it may be the personnel and type of music as opposed to Kristina’s view of the Parselmouths as part of who she is. It makes sense to me therefore that Dinah might have come to the conclusion that Kristina didn’t.

  94. Amy Avatar

    John! No one EVER said that Spattergroit was anything other that great! Re-read the article!

  95. Ariel Avatar
    Ariel

    I have complete faith in whatever the Parselmouths choose to do with their sound, no matter how different it is, or how many members there are, or what their name is.

  96. Freya Avatar

    John, I think it is clear from both the article and all of Dinah’s comments that this is in no way meant to be vindictive.

  97. Muggle_Friend Avatar
    Muggle_Friend

    I disagree with Opinion that a band should change its name if its sound, line-up, spirit, has greatly changed. However, there is plenty of precedent for doing so. Rage Against the Machine became Audioslave, Les Sans Culottes became Nous Non Plus, The Yardbirds became Led Zeppelin, and the Gorillaz became Gorillaz. It is, of course, all about branding.

    That being said it is in no way out of line for an editor of a popular publication to express the opinion that a band should think about moving on, rebranding itself, changing its name. Beyond that, Dinah has done nothing.

    HOWEVER, I am an outsider here, and it seems I have learned an interesting lesson.

    The lesson here, for at least some portion of this community, is:

    If you are an ARTIST, do not be afraid to change your sound, your line-up, your direction, your instruments, you ideology, your motivations, your name, etc.
    The Audience, the fans, the community, should respect that, and should not voice any strong minded opinions (based in fact or no) which may potentially hurt the artists feelings and thus discourage development. Artists are people too, the community sometimes forgets this, and is inconsiderate towards their feelings.

    HOWEVER,
    If you are a WEBSITE which supports this same community, do not expect the same treatment. In fact, you deserve to be called Ignorant, Inappropriate, Potentially Destructive, etc, if you even try to do something new, change your format, add opinion pieces, or promote debate and discourse. You are a news website, you are not allowed to change whatsoever. You are not a creative-body, you are just support.
    And if you do present such changes, or such new opinions, the community and artists you support are more than welcome to express their strong-minded opinions on why you are wrong for doing so. The artists and community need not be respectful or considerate of you, your changes, or your feelings.

  98. Amy Avatar

    “If you are a WEBSITE which supports this same community, do not expect the same treatment. In fact, you deserve to be called Ignorant, Inappropriate, Potentially Destructive, etc, if you even try to do something new, change your format, add opinion pieces, or promote debate and discourse. You are a news website, you are not allowed to change whatsoever. You are not a creative-body, you are just support.
    And if you do present such changes, or such new opinions, the community and artists you support are more than welcome to express their strong-minded opinions on why you are wrong for doing so. The artists and community need not be respectful or considerate of you, your changes, or your feelings.”

    Awwwwwwwwweeesssoooooommmeee. Well said. Well put.

  99. Amy Avatar

    In fact, I want to print that on a poster or a t-shirt 😀 😀 😀 I’m laughing my ass off.

  100. anonymous Avatar
    anonymous

    I’ve always seen this community as loving and supportive. I mean, really, the whole reason this thing exists is because we wanted to feel like part of a cohesive community full of people who had a passion for the same thing we do – Harry Potter. That being said – I am STRONGLY disappointed in Kristina and Lauren. Everyone’s entitled to their opinion. EVERYONE!! I’ve always adored them both, Lauren especially, but the things they’ve said in these comments have really broken my heart. This isn’t the first time I’ve seen Kristina react emotionally about something (mrs nerimon blog/anonymous) but I just can’t stand that they’d react in such a negative way to someone’s opinion! I read this article and thought “what a classy way to say hey – maybe the name’s not fitting anymore.” i come back a day later and the comments are filled with people just ripping dinah to shreds! i want to again express my disappointment in kristina and lauren most specifically because you two should KNOW better! this isn’t what this community’s about! and frankly – if you can’t handle someone telling you that maybe the name doesn’t fit anymore, then you probably shouldn’t pursue a music career because people are going to question every step of your journey!! kristina – “I just don’t feel like I need the fans re-evaluating my decision.” – that’s what it’s about!! your fans WILL question your decisions. we’re human, that’s what we do. it’s your responsibility as the band’s “creator” to sit back and say “interesting. point taken. but here’s why i made the decision i did.” but rolling around in the mud with all these other people who’re throwing around such hateful comments is NOT the way to handle it at all!!

    “True, I did not make my opinion portion of the article directly clear prior to publishing, but I have already apologized to her in private for that slip of mine.” – this really made my stomach turn. what would life be like if, before every single one of us voiced our opinion we had to get consent from the person whom our opinion pertained to? i’m really upset that this has turned into one of those places where we’re allowed to say something only if it’s nice and sugar coated. i’m a girl so it pains me to say this but you can DEFINITELY tell when too many women get riled up over the same thing.

    “But I really don’t understand how you had the strength to post something like this, and now lack the strength to deal with the response.” – whompy … geez. i’m appalled that anyone is apologizing to anything you’ve called them out on. nothing that you’ve said has been constructive. it’s all accusatory and hateful. i just don’t understand why you’d want to say something like that to someone within a community that you both know and love. yes, we have different opinions. it doesn’t mean yours is less valuable or that i’ve got the right to demean you.

    in my opinion, the parselmouths is an identity – a franchise. it’s been built up and marketed, it has a fan base and is well respected within the community. is it really a band, though? the band that WAS the parselmouths no longer exists. the sound is different, the members are different, and the attitude/personality is NOTICEABLY different. it’s like when blink 182 split and some of the members formed boxcar racer. everyone KNEW that boxcar racer was, essentially, blink 182 minus a key ingredient but it gave NEW fans the opportunity to feel close to the new identity while the old fans new where the origins were. and isn’t that what it’s about, really?

  101. LunasCeiling Avatar

    I think the decision about a band retaining or changing its name subsequent to a lineup change might be best based on whether or not the sound and (most importantly) the SPIRIT of the band is changing significantly. That’s where the real continuity lies.

    That’s why I think The Parselmouths did the right thing in keeping that name. Allowing for their evolution as musicians, the sound has not changed radically, the subject matter is consistent, and most importantly, it still FEELS like The Parselmouths. If I didn’t know about the change and walked into a show, I wouldn’t feel disappointed or cheated.

    We just added a member to Luna’s Ceiling, and our stylistic presentation is going through some fairly big changes…but I still think the name fits. We’re still doing “wizard futurepop,” even if it sounds inevitably different with a different-gender vocalist, and we’re actually going to play live (no, really!). A (muggle) band I helped found over a decade ago, Written In Ashes, contains only one original member these days…but it’s still identifiably W.I.A., so I have no problem with that. See where I’m going here?

    That doesn’t make Dinah’s opinion wrong. If the Parselmouths feel different to HER, then it only makes sense that she’d have that opinion, and she has every right to express it. But in the end, the opinions that matter are those of Kristina, Eia, and Alex. If it feels right for them to retain the name, then that’s it. I wish ’em luck and can’t wait to catch a show!

    David

  102. Steph Avatar

    The only thing I want to comment on here is anyone who said that the Wizrocklopedia is a News site and shouldn’t post something like this. This bothers me. I think an article in this style is completely within the mission of this site (even if it was only a news site). I don’t know if these are considered old fashioned these days, but look at Newspapers! They run NEWS and OPINION articles in every issue, and have for hundreds of years. In fact, opinion articles are an extremely important part of News. They allow for dialogue and a flow of information from multiple directions.

    While some of what has happened here the last couple days has been overly dramatic, I think the discussions/debates that managed to stay civil were extremely interesting and enlightening.

    We all just need to remember that our opinions are not the most important OR the ruling opinions. That doesn’t mean we can’t have them or voice them, it just means we need to remember that other opinions are allowed to exist and are not disrespectful to yours just because they are around.

  103. Stacy Avatar
    Stacy

    I know I’m entering this discussion very late. Heck, maybe it’s over already. Just wanted to added my quick two cents.

    Dinah, you are a strong woman for voicing your opinions. I like to see writers stirring up debate and making people think.

    This is an editorial piece – you are entitled to your opinion. People don’t have to like it, nor do they have to agree. You shouldn’t be attacked for having an opinion.

    I may disagree with you, but I give you mad props for having the balls to publish this on a public forum knowing (or maybe not) that you’d be opening a can of worms.

    I want to see more editorial pieces on Wizrocklopedia. Debate helps a community grow.

  104. Zivlok Avatar
    Zivlok

    Holy FLOBBERWORM this is a lot of comments.

    That’s pretty much all I can say that everyone can agree on and not argue about.

  105. Karen Bernstein Avatar

    I’m going to preface this by noting that I am just now reading this article and every single one of the comments. There’s a lot of valid points in here, and there’s a ton of passion for the entire community, personal feelings, and both music and writing as personal and artistic forms. That’s really amazing.

    As a latecomer to the wrock scene, I often find the slew of band names, and then band mate names, to be incredibly complex to the point of being extremely exclusive. It is really hard to walk into a concert where you only know the band name, or the lineup has changed, and you are the last one to figure out who these people are. Let’s face it – we are a community full of jargon, acronyms, relationships (in every sense of the word), and – a system of labeling and naming so complex that a newcomer might walk away before they introduce themselves.

    I don’t know if I have an opinion worth sharing on the subject of bands changing names. But this is also a conversation about the community we’re a part of – and how we label and name artists and music that’s evolved and changed.

    At the end of the day, the only reason I think a band name matters is to get that person who doesn’t know or recognize Kristina, Eia, Alex, Brittany, Dinah or any of the above commentators by name or sight. Those people exist. I have a feeling those people want to be involved in our community…now more than ever. And I would be willing to bet they don’t give a damn about who’s in what band, or what the music sounds like.

    They’re looking for a community. We are that community. And the labels, based on this conversation, aren’t doing much to help us recognize that.

  106. Sarah Penguin Avatar

    I am now coming in here quite late, but I would still like to offer my opinion.
    As a Parselmouths fan I don’t really see how anyone should tell them what to do with their band. I mean, I am all for letting people have their opinions, no matter if I agree with them or not, but this article seemed to track down on the Parselmouths a bit.
    I don’t know if this was the idea at all, but it was the feeling I got when I read it.

    Don’t we want bands to evolve? Don’t we want new sounds from them? Personally I think that we would all tire of them if they kept playing the exact same music forever. As many have said, there have been years between the albums. Kristina have grown with the Parselmouths and of course the sound must as well.
    I wouldn’t really care what they did with their band, for it is the main point. It is their band. The music industry is completely fan-based, but they must be allowed to do what they want.

    I also think that Brittany is a great singer, and that she isn’t at all in Brittany’s shadow. Brittany chose to leave, and Brittany was already in the band. This did affect the albums, and the people in the band, but in no way negative.
    People evolve. If we didn’t, we’d all be stuck we stuck in a place we don’t want to be in.

    I hope I didn’t offend anyone, for that was not the meaning. I don’t know anyone involved in this personally, but they’re still people like all of us. I think this part of the article was quite unnecessary. I hope the Parselmouths can get past this, for they are really great.
    -Sarah

  107. Lauren Myrtle Avatar

    I’m sorry to have disappointed you, anonymous. I still stand by everything that I posted, and if you don’t think it’s okay for me to openly express my opinion on this article, then I can’t really do much else for you.

    Dinah is my friend. I was not intending to rip my friend to shreds, and if she has taken anything I’ve said about her article personally, I apologize again.

    I was very angry when I was initially replying to this article, so my comments were definitely more passionate and emotional than they would have been otherwise. Kristina, on the other hand, waited to post her comments, and had calmed down significantly before letting everyone know how the article had hurt her. Even if the things fans say hurt us sometimes and do upset us, at the end of the day, we love them for their honesty and that honesty is why this community is so strong. But it still hurts, and I don’t see the point in pretending otherwise.

    You shouldn’t be disappointed that we have feelings in reaction to things that fans say to us and that we feel comfortable enough with the community to express those honestly. This community is about being yourself and loving everyone else for doing that as well because it makes us who we are, not about sugarcoating everything and pretending that nothing upsets you. Anyone who has seen some of my responses to hater comments on YouTube knows that I apply that to responses to my videos as well.

    I have absolutely nothing against Dinah and I don’t think any less of her after this article. In fact, I think that the way she’s posted this and handled herself in the comments was brave and I am even more impressed with her now. Dinah totally had the right to post this and she shouldn’t have to clear it with anyone, but that doesn’t mean that people who were upset by what she said in the posting should pretend otherwise. There were just as many people standing up for Dinah by challenging my comments as there were people standing up for Kristina by challenging Dinah’s comments, and that’s just fine with me. I don’t think it’s a good reason to be disappointed in people.

  108. Whompy Avatar

    L: “Is it just me who’s slightly amused by the fact that Matt said this, having chosen to release his hip-hop/rap style music under a perhaps not entirely removed, but certainly modified, version of his band name in order to differentiate? XD”

    Big Whompy is an alter-ego. It’s a concept. It’s also a joke, to some extent. I totally understand your point, but I definitely didn’t choose a different name because I was operating in a different genre. I chose Big Whompy because I thought it was funny to imagine a gangsta version of the Whomping Willow.

    anonymous: “I am STRONGLY disappointed in Kristina and Lauren. Everyone’s entitled to their opinion. EVERYONE!! I’ve always adored them both, Lauren especially, but the things they’ve said in these comments have really broken my heart. This isn’t the first time I’ve seen Kristina react emotionally about something (mrs nerimon blog/anonymous) but I just can’t stand that they’d react in such a negative way to someone’s opinion!”

    Maybe this is because you’ve built up an idea of who Kristina and Lauren are as people, and you’re having trouble dealing with the fact that they’re real people who may not live up to your expectations. Nobody’s perfect. Wizard rockers and YouTube people have flaws, and they also have feelings. They also have entire lives outside of what they expose to the public in their music and vlogs.

    You haven’t even offered a name along with your comments — it’s a much safer place in which to express your opinions. You should at least give Kristina and Lauren credit for taking responsibility for what they say in this debate and in other forums.

    “geez. i’m appalled that anyone is apologizing to anything you’ve called them out on. nothing that you’ve said has been constructive. it’s all accusatory and hateful. i just don’t understand why you’d want to say something like that to someone within a community that you both know and love.”

    Did you miss the part where I kept telling Dinah that I’ve got nothing but love for her? Friends occasionally have arguments, and sometimes those arguments get heated. I respect Dinah a lot. But I also love Kristina and I feel a responsibility to defend her if somebody hurts her feelings. And contrary to what a few people have said, I think she’s totally justified in having hurt feelings. She’s put a lot of work into her band, and she’s contributed a lot to this community. To have someone suggest that her band is “done” is something that can (and did) cut her really deep. I’m actually kind of appalled that people don’t understand why that would hurt her. Maybe some people just don’t realize how much time, creativity, love, and effort goes into being a musician in a community that’s so tight-knit.

  109. WizardRockDA Avatar

    See, that’s my entire point though. I can completely understand why Kristina’s feelings would be hurt by someone saying that her band is dead. The problem is, that conclusion simply can’t be derived from this article without taking it out of the context in which it was written and presented.

    Yes, the article does contain the words, “this, in my opinion, is when the Parselmouths were done,” and if that statement was given by itself without any other evidence in the article as a whole to change the context of that statement, then yes, I could easily see how that could be offensive. However, there is much more to this article than that single phrase, and when you take the article as a whole, it becomes rather clear that Dinah isn’t saying that the band is dead at all. Dinah has even clarified multiple times in her comments that this wasn’t what she was saying in the article, and yet you continue to disregard that in your comments. However, if the author herself saying that the context with which you’re taking various statements isn’t the context they were written or intended in, I’m more than happy to go into some in-depth analysis for you.

    “The Parselmouths” is a name, in this case, the name of a band. A name is, in many ways, simply a label associated with a given entity, again, in this case, a band. Now it is important to understand that what exactly is associated with a given name or label varies greatly from person to person, based on our own individual point of view, which is in turn based on our individual experiences and perspectives. What you, or I, or Kristina, or anyone else associates with the name “The Parselmouths” is irrelevant to the context of this article, because we didn’t write it. Dinah did, and what she associates with the label “The Parselmouths” is naturally going to differ from what Kristina and her close friends associate with that label due to those differences in personal experience and perspective. This is a very important point, because the article CAN NOT be read in its proper context if the differences between what the reader and the writer associate with the label “The Parselmouths” are not taken into account.

    That level of analysis and Dinah’s comments aside, though, the article itself tells you multiple times that the current Parselmouths are different from what Dinah associates with that name, with statements like “it is simply a matter of the band consisting of different members, sounding different, and performing with different attitudes overall,” and “I just didn’t see the *Parselmouths* in it.” Statements like that make it perfectly clear that no matter what we, the readers, associate with the label “The Parselmouths,” they are no longer the same band that Dinah associates with the label “The Parselmouths.” When you take into consideration the fact that the band no longer matches what the author associates with their name, its not entirely unreasonable for her to suggest that they might consider choosing a new name to go with the new (from her perspective) band.

    Dinah is NOT in any way saying that the CURRENT band The Parselmouths is done, or that they’re not as good as the original band was or anything of the sort. All she’s saying in this article, the entire POINT of the article, is that the Parselmouths have become so far different from what she has come to associate with the name “The Parselmouths” that they seem like a different band entirely to her—not a worse band or a dying band, or less than the original band was, merely a *different* band—and that it might therefore be appropriate for them to choose a new name for the new band. The thought that a band is completely different from what it originally was, whether I agree that it is completely different or not, is an entirely neutral observation. It certainly doesn’t seem like something so offensive that the artist in questions feelings should be hurt by it.

    That’s what I got out of the article the first time I read it, as well as every time I’ve read it since (and I’ve read it quite a few times over the course of the various comments I’ve posted.) That’s also more or less what Dinah and a host of other people who have commented on this article have been trying to tell you it says. In fact, its seemed so obvious to me that the statements you’ve found so much offense in weren’t written or presented in the context you’ve been taking them in that it took me a good long while just to figure out exactly how we were reading this article differently. But you don’t see me saying that you shouldn’t be a news critic for it. 😉

    On that note, I feel like I should point out that in addition to repeatedly clarifying the context of such statements in this article, Dinah has repeatedly apologized for any feelings that may have been hurt through those statements, misinterpreted or otherwise. You say you’ve got nothing but love for Dinah and respect her a lot, but it seems like you’ve been ignoring all the comments where she’s tried to clear up misunderstandings about what she meant with the article, and YOU still haven’t apologized for hurting HER feelings. I realize some of the comments were less…diplomatic…than they might have been because you were responding with anger and emotions, and I know Dinah realizes that too, but saying you love and respect someone and their knowledge that you didn’t mean to hurt their feelings isn’t the same as actually offering an apology for it.

    Sorry, I’m not trying to be an ass here, and I know you’re not either. But you’ve been coming across that way to an extent, and I feel the need to stick up for MY friend. Which isn’t to say that you or anyone else here *isn’t* my friend or that you and Dinah aren’t friends or anything of the sort. But I feel that in this case, Dinah’s the one who needs sticking up for right now. Plus I think its a good thing for friends to be able to call each other out on something when one thinks the other is in the wrong about something. That’s what I’m doing here, and I know that’s what your comments were more or less intended to do, but like I said, they didn’t really come across that way very well.

    And on THAT note (and don’t worry, this is the last), I know some of my own comments were written emotionally, and that I may have come across as a bit of an ass myself to some people in this discussion, so I’m going to follow Dinah’s and Lauren’s examples and apologize to Matt and Lauren and Kristina and anyone else some of my comments may have offended or hurt. While I would like to think I’ve been trying to play the mediator to an extent, I’m not really sure I’ve done all that good of a job at it. I know my own responses have been clouded to an extent by the fact that it seems to me like when everything’s taken in the context it was written, there’s been a lot more hurtful things directed at Dinah than at Kristina in this conversation, yet Dinah seems to be doing a lot more apologizing than anyone else. So if I’ve hurt or offended anyone in this conversation, or if anyone feels like I’ve been an ass or that I’ve made them look like an ass, I am sorry. That wasn’t my intention, though I know I may have come across that way.

    Oh yeah, and sorry for adding so many long comments that just seem to ramble on endlessly. I’m really bad about that sort of thing, if you haven’t noticed. 😛

  110. Whompy Avatar

    I don’t disagree with you Bobby. I’ve been planning to send Dinah a private email but my access to the internet has been sporadic for a while now.

    However, I will say this to Dinah, and to anyone else who’s brave enough to post their true feelings for the consumption of a fandom: welcome to my life. How many fans do you think I lost when I spoke out about gay marriage a couple years ago? I knew at the time that I was posting something inflammatory, but I still felt the need to speak my mind after Dumbledore’s coming out created a fuss among certain fans. Likewise, I just can’t believe that Dinah would post an article like this and not expect a big reaction, both positive and negative. And she should know better than anyone how protective and loyal wizard rockers are toward each other.

    I simply don’t agree that we should all be sticking up for Dinah right now. She posted this article on her own accord, and she’s responsible for it. She really should take this entire debate as a big compliment. 109 comments?! That’s incredible!

  111. Whompy Avatar

    To clarify: I don’t disagree with you that some of my comments have bordered on attacks, and that I should get in touch with Dinah and make sure things are cool. I don’t think I need to do that here. I still stand by the overall points I’ve made. I still feel that it’s not Dinah’s (or anyone else’s) place to suggest that The Parselmouths are over, or that they should abandon their wizard rock brand and move on to something new. I’m not about to issue retractions. But yeah, I agree that some of my comments were angry and potentially hurtful, and I should address that in some way.

    I do disagree with the implication that Dinah needs sticking up for, because she’s the person who posted this article in the first place and she really should’ve expected this reaction. In my opinion. 🙂

  112. WizardRockDA Avatar

    Actually, I think your choice of words, “abandon their wizard rock brand and move on to something new” verses my phrasing of “change their name” reflects quite well the differences in the way we think about the suggestion of a name change. Its essentially saying the same thing, but my way sounds much more friendly than yours.

    Which is to say, I don’t think it was an entirely unreasonable suggestion based on the fact that Dinah clearly didn’t understand Kristina’s reasons for keeping the name when she wrote the article. I think a lot of people who agreed with the article understand much better now why Kristina did keep the name because of it, and while I’m not saying that I think its strictly necessary for the fans to understand a band’s personal reasons for doing what they do, I certainly don’t think its a bad thing when they do. Nor do I think its a bad thing for the fans to say so when they don’t understand, because this makes the band aware that the fans don’t understand.

    Whether or not the band then chooses to explain those reasons is up to the band, but if it isn’t brought up in the first place, the band may not even be aware that the fans don’t understand it. And while I don’t think it strictly necessary for fans to understand, I think its a happier community overall when the fans and the bands are on the same page. So while I agree that its an uninformed suggestion, I don’t think its necessarily an offensive one, especially considering that its uninformed. Hopefully that all made sense.

    As for the notion that the Parselmouths are over, I really can’t think of a way to point it out that hasn’t already been attempted; you’re taking it entirely out of context. That was just another way of suggesting they change their name to reflect the changes in the band.

    And I’m not trying to get you to retract your overall points; I even agree with a good many of them, if not quite. I just want to make sure you understand where I’m coming from when I say I don’t see those statements as being offensive and likewise, to make sure I understand where you’re coming from when you say you do. And I think I do understand where you’re coming from a lot better now than I did initially.

    What it all boils down to, I think, is author’s intentions aside, we seem to be interpreting what article actually says in completely different ways.

  113. WizardRockDA Avatar

    Actually, looking back at what I just wrote, I think I can understand how Kristina might be hurt to discover that her fans weren’t all on the same page with her as well as she had thought. I just hadn’t even looked at it that way until I started to analyze why I didn’t find it offensive. But “hurtful” and “offensive” aren’t always the same thing, and in my reasoning for why it wasn’t offensive, I think I’ve gained a clearer understanding as to how it might have been hurtful.

  114. Kara Avatar

    Untill they lose Kristina, or she decides otherwise the Parselmouths are still the Parselmouths. If she is going to continue to play the SAME music with Alex& Eia anyways it seems silly to me to just change the name& what… Scrap playing the old music at shows? Thats all that seems like it would do to me. But honestly it’s Kristinas thing, Kristinas band she loves it& i’ sure it’s probably weird for her with out brittany (britney? iDk) without everyone chucking all this on her too. I honestly don’t know why anyOne really, i dont know… i just don’t understand why this needed to be said really. There is a Hugely intense discussion going on in these comments and it’s pretty crazy. People should Not be getting upset about this basically, if Kristina wanted to change the name i’m sure she would have gone right ahead and done it. It’s fine for people to give opinions but people are like ganging up& turning against eachother in the comments… Like some others said just Don’t listen if you have a problem. It is her thing not ours, we’re just coming along for the ride.

    Basically; this is not a big deal untill people made it into one. Chill. And please don’t hurt me. I’m a little bit intimidated and scared to post anything here, but really, Chill.

  115. Kara Avatar

    Oooh… I apparently needed to read All the comments before I posted that. That was kind of repetitive/ the opposite of what Kristina Said.

  116. PK9 Avatar

    First of all, I’d like to point out that I’m a relatively new fan of the phenomenon that is wizard rock, having discovered the community through the internet in late 2007. I’ve never been to a live Wrock show, but thanks to Youtube I’ve been able to experience many snippets of shows from coast to coast.

    When I read through this article it seemed clear to me that it was an editorial opinion. The writing style, especially the abundance of the pronoun “I”, indicated that the author was expressing her own feelings and opinions. I never felt that it was meant to be reflective of either the wizrocklopedia site or the fandom as a whole. Under that lens, I did not see the article as hurtful or criticizing in any way. Perhaps because I am no more a musician than Dinah, I cannot appreciate the significance of suggesting to a band that they change their name. Some of the comments suggest that readers interpreted the article as commanding Kristina to change the band name, which I feel is a very extreme interpretation. “I would hazard to suggest that perhaps it is time to…” is about as mild of language as one can use to voice their opinion. There are no less than three mild qualifiers in that sentence: “would hazard”, “suggest” and “perhaps”. It was simply someone putting an idea out there, no attempt to assume authority whatsoever.

    Secondly it seems many have interpreted the article as downplaying Kristina’s importance to the band. Again, I disagree. I see the article as more celebrating the importance of Brittany. As a fan who has only followed the Parselmouths on the web, I made an observation a few months ago that Kristina has far more internet fame because of her other projects including 5AG, but Brittany provided a vital energy to their live shows. I think that everyone will agree that it’s not the same without her; she is greatly missed. (On a side note, I see the same type of dynamic with Lauren and Nina in the MM). A lot of comments have made comparisons to the Whomping Willows, Remus Lupins or Catchlove, were they to consider changing their names, but I think the situation is quite different. A single artist band will always be associated with that individual, even if he/she were to completely change the style from album to album. Likewise, a group effort of say 6 people, would be associated with the group even if one or two people were replaced over the years. However, the Parselmouths began as a duet. That means that Brittany and Kristina had roughly 50% ownership. Imagine if Brian and Bradley, or Joe and Paul decided to go their separate ways. Would it be easy to think of one half continuing as DaTM or HaTP? This is the situation The Parselmouths are in. Now, Eia has worked very hard to integrate herself into the band over the past year, but she is still relatively new, so from the perspective of an outsider, one does not automatically picture her when one thinks of the Parselmouths. I think this is what Dinah was referring to when she said “the shadow of Brittany can be a hard one to get out of.” Her suggestion (again simply her own opinion) was motivated by the possibility that it might be easier for Eia and Alex if fans weren’t always asking “Where’s Brittany?” at their shows. Certainly this does not apply to Kristina, who has been a Parselmouth since day one, so I can understand how she feels her identity was threatened.

    Kristina, you mentioned that you felt “singled out”. I think that’s definitely true; after all, this is an entire article solely about the Parselmouths. But I don’t think it’s necessarily a bad thing. I think being singled out means that your band is worth writing about. Everyone is very supportive of everyone else in this community, but the fact is not all wrock bands are on the same level. There are 603 bands listed in Wizrocklopedia, I’m sure 90% have never been mentioned in any wizard rock article, much less have a heated fan discussion about whether their name should be changed. You’re one of the select few bands to get mentioned in Harry, a History. I think this kind of critique comes with having achieved some level of celebrity status. Look at the Hollywood stars; every bit of their lives gets discussed, from who they go out with to the color of their shoes.

    There was much discussion about whether it is appropriate for Wizrocklopedia editors to make opinion articles. I think it’s definitely a good thing. I admit in the first year after found this website, I mostly thought of it as “the place with the list of all the bands and their websites.” News articles are good, but only posting information and news does not build community. Opinions, when presented respectfully and discussed rationally, build community. People can only get to know each other if they share what they think. Of course, opinions can also destroy community if they are poorly expressed, so that is the razor’s edge that society is built on.

    I was once in a similar situation as Dinah, so I know how it feels. I once did a web site for a small recreational basketball league that I helped run. I would post the scores and recaps of the games. Attempting to model it like the real sports sites, I once did a preview of the championship game in which I expressed my opinions about the competing teams and their style of play. In the course of that, I offended members of one of the teams who didn’t like the way I described their team. I ended up apologizing and pulling the article from the site. Personally, I think Dinah may have made some mistakes about how the article was posted, but I can see from her comments she never meant to be offensive. I think she’s apologized plenty for her mistakes, but I don’t think she needs to apologize for her opinion that perhaps a name change would be beneficial, whether I agree with it or not.

    Ultimately, the decision lies with the creators, not with the fans. It seems to me that Kristina has given this much thought and decided to stay with the name the Parselmouths. I don’t know whether Dinah was aware that a name change had been considered, but it certainly seemed from the article that she was unaware. If that’s the case, then she cannot be guilty of challenging “the decision to keep my band name” – she simply brought up a subject that you had previously already considered and resolved. I think we’re all fine with your decision – but in reality our opinion doesn’t even matter.

  117. Scott Humdinger Avatar

    Man. I’d have to run naked through the Great Hall to get press like this! 🙂

  118. David Avatar

    Haha Scott. Best comment by far : p

    Sooo… I’m insanely late on reading this article and thus nobody will probably see it, but I felt I had to put together something to respond to it. So I wrote a blog instead. Click my name if you care enough to read it.

    But in summary: This community isn’t like the music industry, written communication sucks sometimes, and I hope everyone is feeling better now.

  119. Miss Parkinson Avatar

    I can see where you’re coming from.

    Two new members create almost a whole new band. Logically, people would think they’d use a different name.

    But how many muggle bands on a regular basis get new members? How many bands even have the majority of the originals left?

    But then when Ryan and Mark joined Ministry of Magic, you’re saying that they should of renamed the band?

    The concept of the Parselmouths is still the same. It’s not like they’re a gryffindor (ugh) band now. They’re still a Slytherin band.

    But, also, since I’ve started my wrock band (Miss Parkinson) which began in March, I have developed my songwriting skills by a million. It sounds way more mature. So should I change my band?

  120. hf.gal Avatar
    hf.gal

    I honestly know that this sounds like spam, but I desperatly need to know whether if you have just started yr 7 and british if you can BE a member of a wrock community?

  121. Helen Myrtle Dyes Her Hair Avatar

    it should be the same.

  122. OldEnoughToDie Avatar
    OldEnoughToDie

    I can totally see where you’re coming from with this but I think it’s neither here nor there whether they change their name or not. I think Whompy has a point in that just cause they’ve developped it doesn’t mean they are a different band or whatever. And now with my future hindsight it appears that Alex won’t be playing with them anymore… so really it’s just 2 girls. no different from the begeining I think it’s good they’ve evolved and haven’t died out.
    But like I said I don’t think it matters if they do or don’t change their name because at the end of the day Kristina and Eia are both well loved in the Wrock world.

  123. weasley girl Avatar
    weasley girl

    THAT WAS UNCALLED FOR!!!!!!! sorry but that was really inaproprite. i dont know kristina personally but i watch 5ag and love her band. whompy, lauren and kristina i compleatly agree. this article was awful.

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